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Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.

He'll never get it. He thinks hes actually onto something with this silly hypocritical argument. You'd probably be best off to just stop and let him think he won some huge point.
 
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No, I will not terminate my benefits as I will never get out of SS what I would have made from investments into a private investment account over the same period of time. If you think you should contribute to SS for 35 years, get no return from that investment then by all means do it. The money I invested into SS is for my family, not for me.
unless you terminate your benefits, you are no better than the 'welfare queens' or those who abuse unemployment compensation....you are willing to draw out more benefits than you ever put in....if you seriously 'need' those benefits, this cast alot of doubt in my mind, of everything you have ever claimed to be....hard to believe you ran a company with 'x' amount of employees, worth 'x' millions of dollars, and didnt manage to stash away quite a bit of pocket change....hmmmmm.... seems your views on those you see as being a 'drain' on society change when it comes to YOU.
 
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i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....

You need to stop making a fool of yourself, here is an investment calculator, put your monthly SS "investment" into this calculator from day one and keep it there for 35 years. Put in whatever return on investment you believe can be generated over 35 years and see how much you will have in 35 years. Compare that to what you will have in your SS account in 35 years.

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unless you terminate your benefits, you are no better than the 'welfare queens' or those who abuse unemployment compensation....you are willing to draw out more benefits than you ever put in....if you seriously 'need' those benefits, this cast alot of doubt in my mind, of everything you have ever claimed to be....hard to believe you ran a company with 'x' amount of employees, worth 'x' millions of dollars, and didnt manage to stash away quite a bit of pocket change....hmmmmm.... seems your views on those you see as being a 'drain' on society change when it comes to YOU.

Really? You think it is wrong to invest into an account for 35 years and get nothing out of it when you retire or to get out of it what you would have made had you invested it yourself? No wonder you are in the position in life that I believe you are.
 
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i have asked you the question before, and you have done nothing but ducked, and dodged that question...will you terminate your benefits once you receive every penny you put in? no interest, just the principal you put in...will you do this? will you decline medicare benefits? after all, health care is YOUR responsibility.....


Would you give up your Union pension in order to ensure that your city, or state doesn't go bankrupt trying to pay it?

j-mac
 
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Really? You think it is wrong to invest into an account for 35 years and get nothing out of it when you retire or to get out of it what you would have made had you invested it yourself? No wonder you are in the position in life that I believe you are.
i've made my point with you...i don't care how much you think you put into social security, or what you think you could have gotten by investing that money...that was never the focal point of this discussion....hypocrisy was....
 
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Would you give up your Union pension in order to ensure that your city, or state doesn't go bankrupt trying to pay it?

j-mac
i don't receive a union pension j. sorry, try again.
 
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i've made my point with you...i don't care how much you think you put into social security, or what you think you could have gotten by investing that money...that was never the focal point of this discussion....hypocrisy was....

How much I THINK I put into SS? Unbelieveable. No, the focal point of the discussion was your belief that someone should be forced to invest in SS and then when retirement occurs they aren't entitled to get their money back with interest. Your lack of logic and common sense is staggering.
 
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i don't receive a union pension j. sorry, try again.

All liberal socialists work for the union and draw a union pension. So, you must as well. :coffeepap
 
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How much I THINK I put into SS? Unbelieveable. No, the focal point of the discussion was your belief that someone should be forced to invest in SS and then when retirement occurs they aren't entitled to get their money back with interest. Your lack of logic and common sense is staggering.
Hypocrisy | Define Hypocrisy at Dictionary.com

–noun, plural -sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy
 
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All liberal socialists work for the union and draw a union pension. So, you must as well. :coffeepap
maybe i missed that page in the manual.....???:shock::lol:
 
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All liberal socialists work for the union and draw a union pension. So, you must as well. :coffeepap


No, that's not what I said....But I see how you roll. At one time you told me you were a teacher in a local collage out there in Iowa. Now, in the other thread you are everything from former war hero, to lowly errand boy. So I guess no truths are forthcoming are they Joe.

randel said:
i don't receive a union pension j. sorry, try again.

I thought you told me before that you were a UAW member? No?


j-mac
 
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No, that's not what I said....But I see how you roll. At one time you told me you were a teacher in a local collage out there in Iowa. Now, in the other thread you are everything from former war hero, to lowly errand boy. So I guess no truths are forthcoming are they Joe.



I thought you told me before that you were a UAW member? No?


j-mac
yes j, i am a uaw member, no j, i don't get a pension...your showing your lack of knowledge on unions....i have a 401k
 
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Hypocrisy | Define Hypocrisy at Dictionary.com

–noun, plural -sies.
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3. an act or instance of hypocrisy

Asking for YOUR money back has nothing to do with hypocrisy. You don't seem to comprehend the concept because apparently you believe that your money is the government's. That is certainly your right so I fully expect when you retire that you will not request a SS payment and will do as you expect others to do. I am sure the govt. will be more than happy to keep your money and give it to someone else that they believe is more deserving and you agree.
 
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Asking for YOUR money back has nothing to do with hypocrisy. You don't seem to comprehend the concept because apparently you believe that your money is the government's. That is certainly your right so I fully expect when you retire that you will not request a SS payment and will do as you expect others to do. I am sure the govt. will be more than happy to keep your money and give it to someone else that they believe is more deserving and you agree.

#1 applies ....
 
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#1 applies ....

Being a liberal apparently allows you to misapply definitions any way you want. keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. The concept of SS appears to be foreign to a union member.
 
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yes j, i am a uaw member, no j, i don't get a pension...your showing your lack of knowledge on unions....i have a 401k


No pension? Wow, huh....Man, I'd go on strike....Your Union brothers and sisters in other unions still have theirs....Oh wait, you guys own the companies now after Obama stole them from the actual shareholders and gave them to you...I forgot....Carry on.

j-mac
 
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No, that's not what I said....But I see how you roll. At one time you told me you were a teacher in a local collage out there in Iowa. Now, in the other thread you are everything from former war hero, to lowly errand boy. So I guess no truths are forthcoming are they Joe.



I thought you told me before that you were a UAW member? No?


j-mac

J. I didn't go back to school until I was well in my 30's. As a young man, I did about everything one can do. Didn't knwo what I wanted to be when I grew up. I was what was once called poor white trash. I drank heavy and fought often. But, I grew, married, and went back to school. I've only been teaching for ten years. I'm 54.

But the point is, you're so busy arguing with the mythical liberal, you seldom argue with the person before you.
 
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J. I didn't go back to school until I was well in my 30's. As a young man, I did about everything one can do. Didn't knwo what I wanted to be when I grew up. I was what was once called poor white trash. I drank heavy and fought often. But, I grew, married, and went back to school. I've only been teaching for ten years. I'm 54.

But the point is, you're so busy arguing with the mythical liberal, you seldom argue with the person before you.

The person before me IS a liberal, as denoted by your own designation.

j-mac
 
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No pension? Wow, huh....Man, I'd go on strike....Your Union brothers and sisters in other unions still have theirs....Oh wait, you guys own the companies now after Obama stole them from the actual shareholders and gave them to you...I forgot....Carry on.

j-mac
your total lack of knowledge on the topic of unions is simply amazing.
 
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The person before me IS a liberal, as denoted by your own designation.

j-mac

Not the liberal you throw up. I fully understand being a working man. I have fully lived where you live in terms of life experience. There is no ivory tower in my life. And I serve a very conservative and rual population, with very conservative and rual instructors. You spend too much time swollowing sterotypes.
 
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Being a liberal apparently allows you to misapply definitions any way you want. keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. The concept of SS appears to be foreign to a union member.
'. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess' .....you don't stand by your principles conservative, your own words convict you, your own words prove my point.
 
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unless you terminate your benefits, you are no better than the 'welfare queens' or those who abuse unemployment compensation....you are willing to draw out more benefits than you ever put in....if you seriously 'need' those benefits, this cast alot of doubt in my mind, of everything you have ever claimed to be....hard to believe you ran a company with 'x' amount of employees, worth 'x' millions of dollars, and didnt manage to stash away quite a bit of pocket change....hmmmmm.... seems your views on those you see as being a 'drain' on society change when it comes to YOU.

What you're arguing is fallacy.

There is no reasonable issue with using a service you are forced to pay for, while also opposing government forcing you to pay for that service.
And it's also not hypocritical.

Please understand this so you can move on to something more constructive.
 
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No pension? Wow, huh....Man, I'd go on strike....Your Union brothers and sisters in other unions still have theirs....Oh wait, you guys own the companies now after Obama stole them from the actual shareholders and gave them to you...I forgot....Carry on.

j-mac

They're using his pension to pay Eminem for the cool commercial during the Super Bowl.
 
Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

What you're arguing is fallacy.

There is no reasonable issue with using a service you are forced to pay for, while also opposing government forcing you to pay for that service.
And it's also not hypocritical.

Please understand this so you can move on to something more constructive.
sorry mach, conservative has long made arguments and speeches about 'personal responsibility' and against what he considers to be socialist/liberal entitlement programs...he is being hypocritical in receiving more benefits than he paid in to social security, and in using medicare, when he has stated several times that healthcare is a 'personal responsibility', and not a government one....my point stands.
 
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