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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I accept your surrender.
    What surrender? I said that conservatives call things unconstitutional when they don't like them. I was responding to another poster who said a similar thing about liberals. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of liberals calling things unconstitutional. So what? I can find plenty of examples that support my point. But I'm not going back and forth with pointless posts. If I don't play your pointless game, I lose? Fine, I lose. What other petty points would you like me to address?


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Sgt Meowenstein;1059257476]Yeah, I'm sure all unpaid ER bills, which are passed on to the tax payer, are due to illegal aliens. "Forcing" people to buy insurance is not a violation of the Constitution. Obama's people are betting that the commerce cause covers them. The SCOTUS will decide.

    I just told you, $600,000 alone was due to illegal aliens in my county alone. You don't like the number so you ignore it. Obama is betting that our founders supported Federal Mandates for not buying something. You are way off base here and the only ones that will support it are the rabid liberals who want a massive central govt. and less freedom for the individual. 5-4 vote striking the bill.



    Commerce clause.
    Wrong, individual healthcare has nothing to do with commerce.


    There you go again acting like your right-wing ideology is the only thing that matters. I do believe that the gov't plays an important role in our lives. It is not just my opinion that the HC law is making things better for some Americans. It is also the opinions of those who have taken advantage of the provisions that are already in place.

    Yet the polls show a large majority want it repealed. This is a local and state issue, not a Federal Issue. You are entitled to your opinion but your live for today ideology ignores history and govt. results for providing social programs.

    I couldn't care less what Rasmussen says. Though every conservative loves to use Rasmussen, they're unreliable. When every other poll has Obama's approval numbers at or over 50%, Rasmussen has him barely breaking 45%. Anyway, I don't know why you're bringing them up. First of all, I never said that a majority of Americans support single payer. Try to pay attention. What I said is that a majority of Americans support the public option. That is a fact. Look at any poll. Even your beloved Rasmussen shows support for the public option.
    You obviously don't care about history either and the 14.1 trillion dollar debt. Stop reading Media Matters and look at the election results of Nov. Post a poll showing that the American people support the public option and then consider the make up of that poll.



    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Affordable drugs came from Bush? I guess that's why drugs are still expensive. But Bush did add a lot of money to the deficit with his unfunded plan. Ask the seniors who have received their $250 checks for prescriptions thanks to the new HC law. And what costs will come from children staying on their parents' health plans?
    Drug costs have dropped due to the Bush Part D program, you don't like it, tough, the free market works. You really don't seem to have a clue as to what personal responsibility is and the role of the govt. Too bad.

    I'm out of my league? That's grand coming from someone who doesn't even know that provisions of the HC law have gone into effect. I'll tell you what, genius, get back to me when you have a clue.
    Obviously you don't pay for your healthcare because I certainly know that some provisions have gone into effect, my healthcare costs went up to pay for them. Sorry but you are on the wrong side of this issue and the foundation upon which this country was built.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    What surrender? I said that conservatives call things unconstitutional when they don't like them. I was responding to another poster who said a similar thing about liberals. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of liberals calling things unconstitutional. So what? I can find plenty of examples that support my point. But I'm not going back and forth with pointless posts. If I don't play your pointless game, I lose? Fine, I lose. What other petty points would you like me to address?
    Since you are in favor of mandates and believe them to be constitutional, I was simply wondering how you felt about a mandate that required citizens to own a firearm.

    That's all.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, if people don't have to buy health care, but insurance companies can't deny coverage, how's that going to work?

    And if young adults show up to the ER with type 2 diabetes, do we just put them on hospice care?

    From now on, Medicare and Medicaid only covers hospice.
    Again, think instead of feeling, how many of those young people qualify for existing programs or are eligible for a healthcare program that they chose not to partisipate in? How many people in this country truly cannot afford healthcare? You seem to think that healthcare insurance is a civil right. Where is healthcare defined in the Constitution and why the passion to force someone to buy a health insurance policy? 5-4 decision striking the bill if it gets that far.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Good, then all mandates will be thrown out. We'll no longer have to buy auto insurance. Perhaps we'll no longer have to pay income tax.

    Auto Insurance isn't for you it is to protect the other guy. I suggest you read the decision before showing how little you know about the Commerce clause.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I just told you, $600,000 alone was due to illegal aliens in my county alone. You don't like the number so you ignore it.
    I didn't ignore the numbers. But illegals aren't the only people skipping out on ER bills.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, individual healthcare has nothing to do with commerce.
    You keep confusing your opinion with fact. The decision lies with the SCOTUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet the polls show a large majority want it repealed. This is a local and state issue, not a Federal Issue. You are entitled to your opinion but your live for today ideology ignores history and govt. results for providing social programs.
    You're entitled to your opinion as well - no matter how wrong you are. A majority of Americans do not support repeal. That is complete BS.

    Only 25 percent of people polled now support repealing the health care law, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll out Monday, compared to 46 percent on Jan. 7

    Poll: Support for Health Care Repeal Drops | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS
    More Americans want to keep the sweeping health care reform legislation passed last year than want to repeal it, according to a new CBS News/New York Times survey. Forty-eight percent of Americans say they want to keep the law in place, while 40 percent want to see it repealed.

    Poll: More Want to Keep Health Care Law Than Want to Repeal It - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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    You obviously don't care about history either and the 14.1 trillion dollar debt. Stop reading Media Matters and look at the election results of Nov. Post a poll showing that the American people support the public option and then consider the make up of that poll.
    And you are obviously entrenched in right-wing ideology. But unfortunately for you, there is more than one way of looking at things. I already showed that the public support the public option. You just don't like the results.


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obviously you don't pay for your healthcare because I certainly know that some provisions have gone into effect, my healthcare costs went up to pay for them. Sorry but you are on the wrong side of this issue and the foundation upon which this country was built.
    You don't know **** about me. Stop making assumptions. I pay for my HC. Care to prove me wrong? Sorry, but you are just a right-wing ideologue. I can't help you.


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Sgt Meowenstein;1059257576]I didn't ignore the numbers. But illegals aren't the only people skipping out on ER bills.
    No, they aren't but they are part of the problem, thus a cost that has yet to be identified by the Obama Administration. Until you address the costs how do you solve the problem. A lot of people use the ER that have insurance and thus the bills are paid. Have you bothered to check the results in MA regarding their universal program? It is an eye opener and probably why Obama isn't touting its success since Obamacare was modeled after it.



    You keep confusing your opinion with fact. The decision lies with the SCOTUS.
    hasn't stopped you from speculating, has it?


    You're entitled to your opinion as well - no matter how wrong you are. A majority of Americans do not support repeal. That is complete BS.
    Then cite for me a reputable poll supporting your statement

    And you are obviously entrenched in right-wing ideology. But unfortunately for you, there is more than one way of looking at things. I already showed that the public support the public option. You just don't like the results.
    Guess anything that disagrees with you is right wing ideology. Interesting how that ideology is more closely aligned with the Founders than yours. Name for me one country in the world where the public option has lowered costs?



    You don't know **** about me. Stop making assumptions. I pay for my HC. Care to prove me wrong? Sorry, but you are just a right-wing ideologue. I can't help you.
    If you pay for your healthcare then why shouldn't others? Why the passion to have the govt. take your money and give it to someone else? Handle it locally and eliminate the middleman.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional


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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    The only way the act isn't the government authorized destruction of an entire private industry is the inclusion of the mandate.

    On the flip side, the mandate is completely unconstitutional.

    So the law had an unconstitutional provision to keep it from doing something completely against the spirit of what the constitution establishs the government to be doing.

    Throw the whole god damn thing out.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    What is amazing is that Obamacare was killed in its entirety in the recent District Court decision because it wasn't possible to isolate the mandate provision. The reason the mandate couldn't be isolated and excised is because Obamacare lacked a severability clause that could have saved the rest of the law. Earlier drafts of Obamacare did have a severability clause, but the ball got dropped somewhere along the line. This is what happens when laws get passed without being read.

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