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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Pre existing are not a reason to deny insurance. I know I have a rider on my policy because of pre-existing
    The way Pre-ex works is that if you are deemed to have a pre-existing condition, you are not going to be reimbursed for medical expenses related to that condition for the frst 2 years of the policy. 2 years is fairly common pre-ex exclusion, it can be slightly more or less. You can obtain treatment for other conditions, just not he condition that was pre-existing signing up for the coverage. After the two year period is up, you can obtain reimbursement for treatment related to the pre-ex condition.

    The way HIPAA deals with it, is they give creditable coverage for moving between plans. For example, if you have a pre-ex condition and have an unboken chain of insurance, you can move between policies without restarting the pre-ex exclusion period.

    It's certainly not as bad or scary as the porponents of this bill scared people into believing.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who said anything about the streets? They die in hospital beds mostly. Do you deny that people without health insurance often do not get the medical treatment they need? Really?
    Yes, I do deny it. People who can't afford it get health care all the time.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except I'm talking about EVERYONE...and I'm talking about ACTUALLY not being able to afford it (as in premiums that are thousands and thousands of dollars per year). Not complaining that you can't afford it, then paying the bill. You can't just ban preexisting conditions and expect everything else to stay the same. Economics does not work like that.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    But that then is a state and local issue where it belongs. States have the right with citizen approval to implement a healthcare program but the Federal Govt. doesn't.
    Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA don't seem to have incurred any legal problems as to their legitimacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative
    The American people by a large majority are not in favor of this bill and rightly so.
    The majority of the American people either approve of the law or wish it had gone farther.

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    Do you even know how many people there are in this country that really cannot afford healthcare coverage? It isn't what you think. Are you covered by a healthcare policy?
    A bare-bones policy that I'm quite certain would try to screw me over if the need ever arose, yes.

    As to your question: I don't have the exact statistics. Some are unable to afford it due to low incomes, some are unable to afford it due to pursuing higher education, and some are unable to afford it due to being too old or having a preexisting condition. And some are unable to afford it because our tax structure distorts the incentive for insurers to offer individual plans, as opposed to corporate plans (a problem which was not solved by the reform law, but should be).

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative
    There is nothing that the govt. does that reduces costs so why is this different. We have a 14.1 trillion dollar debt because of that effecient govt. and now you want to expand it? There isn't a healthcare system in the world that has lowered healthcare costs. Liberal arrogance however says they can do it here. Liberals have never been right on any issue.
    We have by far the highest health care costs in the world, with no better results than many other countries.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    The fact is tort reform is a tiny fraction of medical costs. I don't see why you think posting the above changes that.

    A person who actually thinks tort reform will significantly change medical costs is ignorant.

    A politician who talks tort reform regarding medical costs is being a politician. Bottom line: tort reform is not important.

    I think what happens is folks see other people getting a settlement because their relative was killed by a doctor, and they think 'Hey, those people shouldn't be getting that settlement!' But, in a nation of law, you sue, and the way to punish is you take money from the guilty party. I don't have any problem with that. If you are wronged, you sue. That's the proper procedure here.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No? It's what Obama promised.
    If you're just going to trot out stupid cliches instead of actually discussing the issue, I'm finished responding to you. Kthxbai.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Then all you have to do is move to a country where that is legal.
    If the government instead raised taxes across the board, then offered a tax credit for those who had insurance, would you still think it was illegal? It would have exactly the same economic impact.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA don't seem to have incurred any legal problems as to their legitimacy.
    The federal government has a right to tax for the public good. What the federal government does not have the right to do is force you, without a positive action on your part) to purchase something from a private company. There is a difference between the fed taxing for Medicare, and the fed forcing you to buy insurance coverage from a private company.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    There are now two US District Court decisions striking down Obamacare, and two upholding it. Time for certiorari.

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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The federal government has a right to tax for the public good. What the federal government does not have the right to do is force you, without a positive action on your part) to purchase something from a private company. There is a difference between the fed taxing for Medicare, and the fed forcing you to buy insurance coverage from a private company.
    What if instead they forced you to buy insurance coverage from the federal government? Would that placate you?
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