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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No he doesn't. You simply misread, or diliberately try to make it somehting it isn't. I can help if you have problems with comprehension, but dishonesty is something you must face on your own. No honest, capable person believes what you're trying to pass off.

    He did not avoid the issue, he spoke to it. No one has suggested affective, needed, procedures should eb withheld. He speaks to ineffective and not needed procedures. Only an idiot believes anything that cna be thrown out there is effective and needed.
    You are giving Obama a pass. Where did he say which doctor was right in the mother's case. Where did he mention anything about the case presented? He avoided the issue and showed that old people may just have to take a pain pill and wait to die if that is what his death panel says

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You are giving Obama a pass. Where did he say which doctor was right in the mother's case. Where did he mention anything about the case presented? He avoided the issue and showed that old people may just have to take a pain pill and wait to die if that is what his death panel says
    No pass. He's not a doctor and not his place to say which doctor was right. He isn't in any way deciding what doctors do. What he did was talk about the real issue, was paying for effective measures over noneffective messures. There is, you understand, often a lot of research on the effectiveness of almost every procedure we do.

    I know you are desperate to paint this false pisture, but it simply is not what you claim. Never was.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He isn't in any way deciding what doctors do.
    the single payer planners in the uk are

    remember?

    why did obama bring in berwick?

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the single payer planners in the uk are

    remember?

    why did obama bring in berwick?
    Your claims are dubious at best, but meaningless as that isn't what we're talking about.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    meaningless---LOL!

    Surgeons say patients in some parts of England have spent months waiting in pain because of delayed operations or new restrictions on who qualifies for treatment. In several areas routine surgery was put on hold for months, while in many others new thresholds for hip and knee replacements have been introduced. The moves are part of the NHS drive to find 20bn efficiency savings by 2015. The government said performance should be measured by outcomes not numbers.

    Surgeons have described the delays faced by patients as "devastating and cruel". Peter Kay, the president of the British Orthopaedic Association (BOA), says they've become increasingly frustrated that hip and knee replacements are being targeted as a way of finding savings. GPs were told not so send as many patients to hospital, maybe to delay referrals until the end of the financial year while perhaps introducing thresholds for surgery.

    Overall, 692 surgeons in England sent the BBC information about the policy on hip and knee replacement of their local Primary Care Trust (PCT). Between them they covered the majority of PCTs in England. 106 surgeons told the BBC routine operations had been put on hold in their area. Others described new limits on when patients qualify for hip or knee replacements. 152 specialists said patients now have to be more disabled or in greater pain, and 118 told us hip and knee surgery had been regarded as a procedure of low priority.

    A number of PCTs have been explicit about their decisions to put all routine operations on hold for several months up to April to help balance their budgets by the end of the financial year. They include Warrington, Sheffield, Eastern and Coastal Kent, Bury and Warwickshire. Alex Waring, a patient in Warwickshire, was told he was being referred for an urgent knee replacement in August of last year. Now he looks at that letter with bewilderment as more than seven months later he is still waiting for surgery. Mr Waring has already had one successful knee replacement and says he is in daily pain waiting for this second operation. "It's excruciating sometimes to put it mildly. And it affects you at the times when you're not expecting it. I get off my mobile scooter and nearly fall over because my knee is gone, the pain, you've to sit there until the pain just goes away."

    Putting routine operations on hold means that GPs simply stop referring their patients for surgery. So although a patient might be waiting longer, this isn't recorded in the official waiting statistics. Another way of adding invisible waiting time into the system is to implement stricter new criteria which have the effect of delaying the point when a patient can be referred for treatment. An investigation by the BBC also found evidence in many PCT board papers of new thresholds being added for hip and knee replacements.
    BBC News - Surgeons raise alarm over waiting

    what "we're" talking about---LOL!

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Again Prof, that has nothing to do with the discussion you interprupted. nor does you misreading of it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    months waiting in pain

    delayed operations

    new restrictions on who qualifies

    you need to be more disabled or in greater pain

    20 billion pounds beneath

    routine operations put on hold to balance budgets

    although a patient might be waiting longer this isn't recorded in the official waiting statistics, another way of adding invisible waiting time into the system

    cruel and devastating

    single payer

    ouch

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Prof. Brittian isn't the US or Obama. Nor has anyone even proposed their exact system. Please try to focus. We're talking about what Obama said or didn't say.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    single payer---ouch

    obamacare is a loser

    ask anthony I WANNA WAIVER weiner

    he was the top obamacare water carrier in the house

    he's afraid NEW YORK CITY can't afford it

    obamacare, that is

    what "we're" talking about---LOL!

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    The conversation you interupted was about a single payer, but about what Obama said or didn't say.

    Now, if you want a serious discussion ona single payer system, you have to do more than amke a link and imply it is the only single payer system, or that we don't wait now, to day, before reform here in the US.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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