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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes he did.You are trying to spin and justify but Obama would not have authorized the pace maker
    Let's look at a reading of what was that is a factual representation and without the comprehension problems you have:

    Obama continued, “And all we're suggesting — and we're not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be, we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decisions, and that — that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that's something we can achieve.”

    Looking at the full transcript, it’s clear that Obama voluntarily brought up the example of having to choose between a surgery and a pill. But he did so as a hypothetical example of difficult decisions about medical treatment for older patients. He was not advocating, much less requiring, bureaucrats to make a potentially life-ending decision for a centenarian.

    “I don’t want bureaucracies making those decisions,” Obama said.

    One can be skeptical about whether Obama’s promises to keep the government out of doctor-patient decisionmaking will hold if health care legislation becomes a reality. But Lungren goes beyond that to distort what the president actually said. We rate Lungren’s claim False.

    PolitiFact | Lungren says Obama would have government require a centenarian to get a pill, not a pacemaker

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    "i don't want bureaucrats making these decisions"

    exactly, even obtuse obama aint dumb enough to go where the brits have gone---single payer

    but his HEALTH CARE CZAR still likes it

    oh well

    maybe that's why weiner wants a WAIVER

    for NEW YORK

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    No, you never answered anything Boo...what happens when ANY one of the things specified in the Law itself happens...c'mon...you can do it.

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    I gave you an answer, with a link. And asked you a question. When will you respond?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    No, you never answered anything Boo...what happens when ANY one of the things specified in the Law itself happens...c'mon...you can do it.
    Very little happens. No freedoms are lost. You have been answered. You read in inaccurately, and can't even, it appears, articulate how you read it.


    It claims that the law creates "longer waits in doctors’ offices" and that "your right to keep your own doctor may be taken away." The group says those claims are about a Medicare payment program that the law calls for establishing. But it points to an opinion piece that doesn’t make those claims at all. The author tells us it’s "bogus" to cite his article as support for the ad.
    ■The ad falsely calls the health care law "government-run health care." The truth is that — while the legislation will expand regulation of the insurance industry — it builds on our current private health care system and expands business for private insurers.

    Pataki’s Bogus Health Care Claims | FactCheck.org

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    26 truths about obamacare

    half a tril cuts to medicare while expanding it which is already broke, a quarter tril burden on states with no backing who are already broke, three quarters of a tril in new taxes on americans who are already broke, the criminalization of americans who breath without insurance who used to be free, the double counting of a quarter tril by accountants who aren't even dept chairs themselfs, the quarter tril doc fix which still can't keep medics from vamoosing, the devastating increase in er traffic and costs, the waiving of more than a thousand friends-of-weiner...

    but, hey, at least it's not SINGLE PAYER

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Factually, he did not. You are having a comprehension problem.
    Wrong he did not agree the mother should have gotten the pace maker but explained why people shouldn't get things and take a pain pill and wait to die. He is showing his support for death panels

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let's look at a reading of what was that is a factual representation and without the comprehension problems you have:

    Obama continued, “And all we're suggesting — and we're not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be, we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decisions, and that — that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that's something we can achieve.”

    Looking at the full transcript, it’s clear that Obama voluntarily brought up the example of having to choose between a surgery and a pill. But he did so as a hypothetical example of difficult decisions about medical treatment for older patients. He was not advocating, much less requiring, bureaucrats to make a potentially life-ending decision for a centenarian.

    “I don’t want bureaucracies making those decisions,” Obama said.

    One can be skeptical about whether Obama’s promises to keep the government out of doctor-patient decisionmaking will hold if health care legislation becomes a reality. But Lungren goes beyond that to distort what the president actually said. We rate Lungren’s claim False.

    PolitiFact | Lungren says Obama would have government require a centenarian to get a pill, not a pacemaker
    Obama no where condones the mother getting a pace maker he would have agreed with the first doctor that she should not have gotten a pace maker. You can not defend this Obama wants doctors to have death panels

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong he did not agree the mother should have gotten the pace maker but explained why people shouldn't get things and take a pain pill and wait to die. He is showing his support for death panels
    Nor did he obect to her getting a pacemaker. What he did was speak to care that did not work, did not improve or extend life. He spoke to effective care that might be less costly and do better. When you misrepresent what is being said, as you do with this video, that is being dishonest. No where is adeath panel being discussed, promoted, suggested or even talked about.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama no where condones the mother getting a pace maker he would have agreed with the first doctor that she should not have gotten a pace maker. You can not defend this Obama wants doctors to have death panels
    He says nothing of the kind. You're making a leap and rading into it what you want to be there and not what is there.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nor did he obect to her getting a pacemaker. What he did was speak to care that did not work, did not improve or extend life. He spoke to effective care that might be less costly and do better. When you misrepresent what is being said, as you do with this video, that is being dishonest. No where is adeath panel being discussed, promoted, suggested or even talked about.
    So he as always avoided to say what he agreed with, to say he supports death panels without addressing the fact of what he was presented with. Obama avoided the subject by making a circle that supported death panels without appearing to

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