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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Apparently you have everybody confused with everybody....you said we don't lose any freedoms, you said that there are "incentives"....I asked you to prove both...but given your source...surely if I posted something from FOX you'd take it as Gospel?




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    My bad. Got you confused with Amazed. Seemed like the same discussion to me. facts are building blocks, support, but you reasoning to know what to do with the facts. You after to add up what they mean. I've tried to demonstrate that to you. We rarely have clear cut issues, and too often many people misread the facts and read wrong conclusions. When crime rates went down after the Brady Bill for example, too many were quick to conclude that the bill was the reason for it. Suchy was unlikely. Other do the same thing concerning right to carry laws. Both lack reasoning skills. Their facts are wrong, but their reasoning is flawed.
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Apparently you have everybody confused with everybody....you said we don't lose any freedoms, you said that there are "incentives"....I asked you to prove both...but given your source...surely if I posted something from FOX you'd take it as Gospel?
    The affrimative claim is that we lose freedoms. I don't have to prove the negative. Your side has to prove freedoms are lsot.

    On my affirmative claim, I gave appropriate evidence. That's one up on you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm still witing for evidence
    it's not evidence, silly

    it's the INTERNAL REVENUE

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it's not evidence, silly
    You're right. That's not evidence.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have to determine what a set of facts mean.
    LOL!

    you have to determine what 3/4 of a tril in new taxes, according to cbo, means?

    what an idiot

    obama, i mean

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    You gave the White House white wash

    Sorry....

    Chew on this for a bit, I don't expect you to be able to discuss a word of it

    SEC. 202. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

    (a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

    (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-

    (A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

    (B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.


    dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.

    (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS- Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.

    (3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES- The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific grandfathered health insurance coverage without changing the premium for all enrollees in the same risk group at the same rate, as specified by the Commissioner.



    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The affrimative claim is that we lose freedoms. I don't have to prove the negative. Your side has to prove freedoms are lsot.

    On my affirmative claim, I gave appropriate evidence. That's one up on you.
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You gave the White House white wash

    Sorry....

    Chew on this for a bit, I don't expect you to be able to discuss a word of it

    SEC. 202. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

    (a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

    (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-

    (A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

    (B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.


    dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.

    (2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS- Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.

    (3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES- The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific grandfathered health insurance coverage without changing the premium for all enrollees in the same risk group at the same rate, as specified by the Commissioner.
    I actually gave more than that, 6 different links total, and suggested you could do your own search.

    And yes, I read the above. Now, yuse your reasonng skills and tell me what you THINK it means.

    (BTW, you could have linked it.)

    For your reading:

    Private Insurance Not Outlawed | FactCheck.org

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)



    I fully understand you not wanting to engage on what it says.....I've done more reserach on this than you can even imagine...and no, I didn't think you could discuss what the Bill actually says


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually gave more than that, 6 different links total, and suggested you could do your own search.

    And yes, I read the above. Now, yuse your reasonng skills and tell me what you THINK it means.

    (BTW, you could have linked it.)

    For your reading:

    Private Insurance Not Outlawed | FactCheck.org
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
    Mark Levin

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post


    I fully understand you not wanting to engage on what it says.....I've done more reserach on this than you can even imagine...and no, I didn't think you could discuss what the Bill actually says
    Look, jr, I'm more than willing to discuss, but you have to actually start a discussion. A cut and paste is not a discussion. Start discussing by answering my question. I suspect you're misread it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    LOL.....I posted the Law, you posted articles that tell you what to think about the Law...and now you're cross

    You aren't capable Boo....it's ok.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Look, jr, I'm more than willing to discuss, but you have to actually start a discussion. A cut and paste is not a discussion. Start discussing by answering my question. I suspect you're misread it.
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
    Mark Levin

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