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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Lets see do you mean the original bill or what the hospital will accept. For my back surgery I got a bill for $160,000 the settled for $67,000
    Where do think the rest went? Think it has anything to do with prices going up? With premius going up?

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    With Obamacare we still pay for them because Obama will put millions on medicaid and bankrupt the states. There is no difference, Obamacare does nothing except grow government put more controls on us the people and it also will increase the deficit
    True, a single payer system would do a more effective job, which is why so many think he did not go far enough. But the things you complain of were happening before any reform. Going backward won't fix the problem. Instead we need to move foreward toward real reform.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The problem is the more people find out about government healthcare the more they hate it. The government can't fix medicare and medicaid and SS what makes you think this will be any different.
    See the polls above. You may be reading things through the prism of your own bias.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've been through this. And yes, Gill was selectively choosing what part of the suvey he was going to listen to. it is important to break the numbers down and seek to understand what is actually being said. Do less is to be dishonest.
    Yes, we have been through this and the latest court ruling says the mandate is unconstitutional and thus the entire bill. That is the point, you cannot make Americans buy healthcare insurance and that is the point.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You aren't going to get either

    We don't want it.
    Get either what?

    Yes, I do get to keep my insurance. However my premiums doubled two years before reform was even signed. Before reform, business was dropping coverage at an alarming rate. Before reform, as a nation, we were spending more than any other country, and for less access. Yes, I have no problem debating the matter. Just don't expect to not be challeneged on what you assert.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, we have been through this and the latest court ruling says the mandate is unconstitutional and thus the entire bill. That is the point, you cannot make Americans buy healthcare insurance and that is the point.
    It is hardly the final word, but it is a matter for the courts. We'll all see in the end how it plays out.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    See the polls above. You may be reading things through the prism of your own bias.
    Really? 'He' is looking at it through a prism of blindness?

    Obamacare: One Year Later, Even Less Popular

    Take the monthly Kaiser Health Tracking Poll. The Kaiser poll is an outlier poll that almost always indicates stronger support for Obamacare than other polls convey. Shortly after passage, the Kaiser poll actually showed respondents having a favorable, rather than unfavorable, opinion of Obamacare, by a margin of 6 points (46 to 40 percent). Since then, that margin has moved 10 points against Obamacare — from plus-6 to minus-4 — as those with unfavorable opinions (46 percent) have come to outnumber those with favorable ones (42 percent).
    Shortly after passage, the poll showed that its respondents thought Obamacare would raise, rather than lower, their health costs, by a margin of 12 points (37 to 25 percent). Now, that margin has grown to 19 points (42 to 23 percent). Shortly after passage, the poll’s respondents thought that Obamacare would reduce, rather than improve, the quality of their health care, by a margin of 4 points (27 to 23 percent). Now, that margin has grown to 12 points (32 to 20 percent).
    The most telling thing, however, is this: Even though the poll is heavily skewed toward Democrats, the Kaiser poll shows such unfavorable results for Obamacare. In the current Kaiser poll, 34 percent of the poll’s respondents are Democrats, which essentially matches the percentage of Democrats (35 percent) in the exit polling for last November’s election. Meanwhile, only 23 percent of the poll’s current respondents are Republicans — 12 points below the percentage of Republicans (also 35 percent) in last fall’s exit polls. In fact, the Kaiser poll’s 11-point advantage for Democrats over Republicans is 4 points higher even than the Democrats’ advantage in exit polling during the 2008 election, yet Obamacare’s unpopularity still manages to shine through.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Really? 'He' is looking at it through a prism of blindness?

    Obamacare: One Year Later, Even Less Popular
    As are you. Like I told him, dig deeper into the numbers. There is no don't a good number don't like it because it does not go far enough. That's a fact. Ignoring the facts is looking through the prism of your own bias.

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've been through this. And yes, Gill was selectively choosing what part of the suvey he was going to listen to. it is important to break the numbers down and seek to understand what is actually being said. Do less is to be dishonest.
    Really??

    The poll I quoted was unambiguous. It states plainly that 58% of Americans want the law repealed. 62% of people that now have insurance want it repealed, while only 47% of those without insurance oppose repeal.

    I'll admit that you didn't cherry pick from the poll I posted, but you completely ignored it and brought in completely different one as if that proved anything.

    And you have the nerve to even type the word dishonest ?????

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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    anthony weiner wants a WAIVER because obamacare DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH

    LOL!

    what an idiot

    weiner, i mean

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