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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Yeah, the numbers are all over the place with defensive medicine. Nobody really knows how much testing is defensive and how much is ordered as a part of thorough health care. I have seen other estimates with similar spreads in the numbers.

    But regarding tort reform, $54 billion over ten years is nothing considering the total health care numbers, and will make no difference.
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    God Bless America........

    The court ruled in favor of freedom and against tyranny........hopefully the Supreme robes do the same.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, people don't buy social security for themselves. Bush tried to give people the option to do that, but we all know where that went.
    Sure they do. They pay into the fund for their own retirement, and the amount they collect from social security is based on credits from previous earnings.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Sgt Meowenstein;1059256730]I guess all of those unpaid ER bills were actually free.
    600,000 in my county alone was Illegal aliens. How are the costs in MA for universal healthcare? Nothing in this bill lowers costs, improves quality, or assures there are enough doctors. If your state wants to do it, then let the people decide but to have a program run by the Federal Govt. and forcing people to buy insurance is a violation of individual freedoms.


    You seem to think that only conservative ideology is taught in a civics class.
    I didn't learn conservative ideology in civics class but did learn the role of the Federal Govt. and the three branches. I didn't see healthcare anywhere in the Constitution as a mandate.

    I'm sure it will cost more than was estimated. As long as it continues to better the lives of Americans, I'm ok with that. If I have to pay higher taxes, fine. Don't get me wrong, I don't love this law. If I had my way, we'd have single payer. We should have at least had the public option - which was, by the way, supported by a majority of Americans.
    There you go again so much faith in the Federal Govt. that has given us a 14.1 trillion dollar debt. There is no evidence that this bill will make things better just your opinion. By the way Rasmussan says you are wrong, healthcare is not supported by the majority in this country nor is a single payer system.


    Yes, I do make that claim. And so do the people who have taken advantage of the provisions of the law that have gone into effect.
    Tell them that their children can't stay on their insurance plan until the age of 26; that seniors can't enjoy more affordable drugs; that children can be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. Think they'll be happy? There's a lot more to the law. Those are just the parts that have already been implemented.
    So we need Obamacare to implement what is in place right now? You think there are enough kids on their parents program to justify the costs? Affordable drugs came from the Bush Medicare program not Obamacare. Not sure where you are getting your information but you are out of your league here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Sure they do. They pay into the fund for their own retirement, and the amount they collect from social security is based on credits from previous earnings.
    Except the first SS recipients didnt have to wait 6 decades to start collecting.....hence the ponzi scheme.
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    Re: Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It ain't over 'til it's over.

    SCOTUS will find it constitutional.
    5-4 decision against ObamaCare........

    ....scary to think the constitution is only one liberal justice away from the paper shredder......
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So how about a regulation that pre existing can not be used by insurance companies to raise premiums or deny coverage
    And how do you propose to implement that without an individual mandate? If sick people and healthy people both have access to the same coverage at the same price, the healthy people are more likely to wait until they get sick before they sign up for health insurance. In effect, this means that the health insurance pools at any given point in time will be dominated by the oldest and sickest people, thus driving up the premiums for everyone and encouraging even more young/healthy people to free ride. The end result will be premiums so expensive that no one can afford them, and the collapse of private health insurance.

    The only way to prevent that from happening is to have some external force preventing healthy people from going without insurance...hence the individual mandate. I know of no way that makes economical sense to 1) end preexisting conditions, 2) have a private health insurance industry, and 3) not have an individual mandate. You can pick any two of the them, but you can't have all three.

    That's why I think the Republicans are swimming in dangerous waters with their court challenges if they favor a free-market approach to health care. If ultimately the Supreme Court strikes down the individual mandate but not the rest of the bill (in other words, if the Supreme Court picks options 1 and 3 above) then we will cease to have option 2. The result would be a government takeover of the entire health insurance industry.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And how do you propose to implement that without an individual mandate?
    Don't you get it? We don't want it implemented at all.
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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, and that is where it belongs to reign in the Congress that overstretched its authority. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires Americans to purchase individual responsibility items.

    How will the repeal of this bill hurt private insurance?
    liberals often believe if something is "good" then it has to be constitutional



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    Re: Obamacare Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That won't work as a business model. Insurance companies would end up bankrupt in quick order. The way to do it would probably be something similar to HIPAA for individual coverage. This would result in higher premiums, but so would Obamacare, regardless of their claim.
    Pre existing are not a reason to deny insurance. I know I have a rider on my policy because of pre-existing

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