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It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

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Police are firing on demonstrators at the Interior Ministry building in Cairo, journalist Ian Lee tells CNN. Lee said he was standing over a man who appeared to have been shot in the head.


Egypt unrest: Police fire on crowd at Interior Ministry; curfew has no effect – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

It's been fairly mild up until now. I see things taking an ugly turn soon unless Mubarak steps down. However this arrogant tyrant has been in power too long and won't give up without a fight. I also think he's totally out of touch and has no respect for those that are protesting.

As an American I'm ashamed we once again backed a tyrant for our selfish interests.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Police are firing on demonstrators at the Interior Ministry building in Cairo, journalist Ian Lee tells CNN. Lee said he was standing over a man who appeared to have been shot in the head.


Egypt unrest: Police fire on crowd at Interior Ministry; curfew has no effect – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

It's been fairly mild up until now. I see things taking an ugly turn soon unless Mubarak steps down. However this arrogant tyrant has been in power too long and won't give up without a fight. I also think he's totally out of touch and has no respect for those that are protesting.

As an American I'm ashamed we once again backed a tyrant for our selfish interests.
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It always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
 
Dirty Harry said:
It always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
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Yup, it's called blowback, the one thing that Ron Paul has been warning us about for more than 2 decades.
 
Dirty Harry said:
It always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
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danarhea said:
Yup, it's called blowback, the one thing that Ron Paul has been warning us about for more than 2 decades.
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You two hit the nail right on the head!

Sadly as wise as Ron Paul is he's considered a nut by many people.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
You two hit the nail right on the head!

Sadly as wise as Ron Paul is he's considered a nut by many people.
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Ron Paul isn't the only one that believed supporting dictators is a bad idea.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Ron Paul isn't the only one that believed supporting dictators is a bad idea.
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How has Iran worked for you. We stopped backing the Shah and look what happened. Remember all of the gulf states are monarchs or dictators, how about throwing them oberboard and see what happens to western economies.
 
washunut said:
How has Iran worked for you. We stopped backing the Shah and look what happened. Remember all of the gulf states are monarchs or dictators, how about throwing them oberboard and see what happens to western economies.
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We should not have never propped them up in the first place. The CIA put the Shah in power. That is what created the hatred of the USA.
We stopped backing the Shah after the revolution started. Should we have sent him billions more to kill his citizens?
It's immoral and hypocritical to support dictators.
 
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washunut said:
How has Iran worked for you. We stopped backing the Shah and look what happened. Remember all of the gulf states are monarchs or dictators, how about throwing them oberboard and see what happens to western economies.
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The Gulf States are unlikely to face the same problem as stagnant economies like Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen. The Gulf States are all awash with petrodollars and generally have a high level of human development.
 
Kandahar said:
The Gulf States are unlikely to face the same problem as stagnant economies like Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen. The Gulf States are all awash with petrodollars and generally have a high level of human development.
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As long as they spread the wealth there should be no problem.
 
Kandahar said:
The Gulf States are unlikely to face the same problem as stagnant economies like Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen. The Gulf States are all awash with petrodollars and generally have a high level of human development.
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The Gulf States have a large underclass of immigrant Shia who do the manual labor. It wouldn't be difficult at all for the Iranian behemoth to instigate trouble.
 
Dirty Harry said:
We should not have never propped them up in the first place. The CIA put the Shah in power. That is what created the hatred of the USA.
We stopped backing the Shah after the revolution started. Should we have sent him billions more to kill his citizens?
It's immoral and hypocritical to support dictators.
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If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
 
washunut said:
If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
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So you believe the US should spend billions of taxpayer dollars supporting corrupt evil dictators or spend billions to over throw them ourselves?
It really is black and white.
 
washunut said:
If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
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what's black and white is the fact that people don't enjoy being ruled over by a puppet of a foreign power. this is why whoever the next government will be, they'll at least have to put on a mask of nationalism. all these north african states are fed up with it, and they have been for a long time. if it wasn't for the tunisian dictator fleeing the country for SA they'd probably still be fed up but not think they can do anything about it. after decades they finally think they can do something about it, and what they wanna do is recoil strongly against the western powers that have been running their nations into the dirt since the ottomans left a hundred years ago. this is just the beginning.
 
washunut said:
If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
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Its not that. It's people like yourself need to study history a little better. You obviously had no clue we propped up the Shah and our CIA trained his secret police, therefore why we are hated by some in Iran. They put people in ovens alive for God's sake!
 
Dirty Harry said:
We should not have never propped them up in the first place. The CIA put the Shah in power. That is what created the hatred of the USA.
We stopped backing the Shah after the revolution started. Should we have sent him billions more to kill his citizens?
It's immoral and hypocritical to support dictators.
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Absolutely. It was operation Ajax that toppled the elected president of Iran, and put the Shah in his place. And we wonder why they hate us there, and ended up overthrowing the Shah and putting Mullahs in his place? We ourselves created radical Islam by meddling in the affairs of a foreign nation, thus inviting those who hate the USA to gain a following they would not have otherwise had.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Its not that. It's people like yourself need to study history a little better. You obviously had no clue we propped up the Shah and our CIA trained his secret police, therefore why we are hated by some in Iran. They put people in ovens alive for God's sake!
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What should we have done instead? Left Iran alone to be controlled by a pro-Soviet ruthless dictator, instead? Having a Soviet statellite, sitting there with the ability to close the Straits of Hormuz would have been bad.

When studying history, one needs to study the entire picture and not just one small segment.
 
apdst said:
What should we have done instead? Left Iran alone to be controlled by a pro-Soviet ruthless dictator, instead? Having a Soviet statellite, sitting there with the ability to close the Straits of Hormuz would have been bad.

When studying history, one needs to study the entire picture and not just one small segment.
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We should have let Iran determine it's own fate. You are the one that seems to have very limited knowledge of history. Puppet regimes don't last forever.
 
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Dirty Harry said:
We should have let Iran determine it's own fate.
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That's the whole point; the Iranians wouldn't have been determining their own future. Their future would have been determined by Mossadegh was ruling by emergency power. When he wanted to extend those powers another 12 months, the Iranian Parliament refused his request, at which time, Mossadegh dissolved the parliament. Sounds like a dictator, to me; a dictator that was becoming fast friends with the Soviets. You have to remember, the United States and Britian were less than ten years out from the end of WW2, where the Germans, Italians and Japanese had just got done, "determining their own futures".

You are the one that seems to have very limited knowledge of history. Puppet regimes don't last forever.
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How long did the Soviet supported dictators in Chechoslavakia, Romania, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Poland and The Ukraine Last? Quite some time and how many millions of people died, during that period? How long have Vietnam and North Korea been around?
 
apdst said:
That's the whole point; the Iranians wouldn't have been determining their own future. Their future would have been determined by Mossadegh was ruling by emergency power. When he wanted to extend those powers another 12 months, the Iranian Parliament refused his request, at which time, Mossadegh dissolved the parliament. Sounds like a dictator, to me; a dictator that was becoming fast friends with the Soviets. You have to remember, the United States and Britian were less than ten years out from the end of WW2, where the Germans, Italians and Japanese had just got done, "determining their own futures".



How long did the Soviet supported dictators in Chechoslavakia, Romania, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Poland and The Ukraine Last? Quite some time and how many millions of people died, during that period? How long have Vietnam and North Korea been around?
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So you believe the US putting our own dictator in power in Iran was a good thing? The people would have risen up against the Soviet puppet probably sooner than they did with the Shah. At that time we would not be their enemy. Like we are now. The Soviets would be.
The US manipulating other governments doesn't work. US installing and supporting dictators doesn't work.
 
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Dirty Harry said:
It always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
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Be careful what you wish for.

We back these people, b/c the alternative to them is far worse.

As we will soon see in Egypt.

Welcome to Iran 1979 part 2.

Islamic fundamentalism is at the Egyptian doorstep. And your gonna cheer it on?

The Muslim Brotherhood is evil and terrorist related.
 
TheHat said:
Be careful what you wish for.

We back these people, b/c the alternative to them is far worse.

As we will soon see in Egypt.

Welcome to Iran 1979 part 2.

Islamic fundamentalism is at the Egyptian doorstep. And your gonna cheer it on?

The Muslim Brotherhood is evil and terrorist related.
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So you think we should support Mubarak and to hell with the people and democracy?

Didn't we just spend a trillion dollars and thousands of lives to liberate a country and spread democracy?
 
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Dirty Harry said:
So you think we should support Mubarak and to hell with the people?
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When the alternative is another Islamic Fundamentalist state?

Hell yes. You do realize the Islamic fundementalist movement views Egypt as a very significant play in their quests don't you? Who was it that tried to assissinate Mubark back in the 90s? You don't think those same people are doing this thing now?

There is more at play here then what is being told in the press.
 
TheHat said:
When the alternative is another Islamic Fundamentalist state?

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So democracy doesn't work for Muslims? Maybe someone should have told George that before he liberated Iraq.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So you believe the US putting our own dictator in power in Iran was a good thing? The people would have risen up against the Soviet puppet probably sooner than they did with the Shah. At that time we would not be their enemy. Like we are now. The Soviets would be.
The US manipulating other governments doesn't work. US installing and supporting dictators doesn't work.
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Maybe. Then again, maybe not. If they had, the Soviets had an obvious track record of sending Soviet military support to quel the uprising. Look at Hungary and Afghanistan.

There's a question here that you're missing: how much damage could a Soviet controlled Middle East have done to the world scene?

You have to understand the school of thought that existed among the allies in 1953--just 8 years since the end of WW2. They were waiting around for the third world war to start. The priority, at that time, was to prevent the Soviets from having the upper hand, when that day came and in 1953, "that day", was just around the corner.

A third world war would have bit us in the ass alot harder than this current silly bull**** is doing.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So democracy doesn't work for Muslims? Maybe someone should have told George that before he liberated Iraq.
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What democracy? The same democracy that exists in Iran?
 
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