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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    We should not have never propped them up in the first place. The CIA put the Shah in power. That is what created the hatred of the USA.
    We stopped backing the Shah after the revolution started. Should we have sent him billions more to kill his citizens?
    It's immoral and hypocritical to support dictators.
    If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.

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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
    So you believe the US should spend billions of taxpayer dollars supporting corrupt evil dictators or spend billions to over throw them ourselves?
    It really is black and white.

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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
    what's black and white is the fact that people don't enjoy being ruled over by a puppet of a foreign power. this is why whoever the next government will be, they'll at least have to put on a mask of nationalism. all these north african states are fed up with it, and they have been for a long time. if it wasn't for the tunisian dictator fleeing the country for SA they'd probably still be fed up but not think they can do anything about it. after decades they finally think they can do something about it, and what they wanna do is recoil strongly against the western powers that have been running their nations into the dirt since the ottomans left a hundred years ago. this is just the beginning.
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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    If the world was only as black and white as so many on this forum think.
    Its not that. It's people like yourself need to study history a little better. You obviously had no clue we propped up the Shah and our CIA trained his secret police, therefore why we are hated by some in Iran. They put people in ovens alive for God's sake!

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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    We should not have never propped them up in the first place. The CIA put the Shah in power. That is what created the hatred of the USA.
    We stopped backing the Shah after the revolution started. Should we have sent him billions more to kill his citizens?
    It's immoral and hypocritical to support dictators.
    Absolutely. It was operation Ajax that toppled the elected president of Iran, and put the Shah in his place. And we wonder why they hate us there, and ended up overthrowing the Shah and putting Mullahs in his place? We ourselves created radical Islam by meddling in the affairs of a foreign nation, thus inviting those who hate the USA to gain a following they would not have otherwise had.
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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Its not that. It's people like yourself need to study history a little better. You obviously had no clue we propped up the Shah and our CIA trained his secret police, therefore why we are hated by some in Iran. They put people in ovens alive for God's sake!
    What should we have done instead? Left Iran alone to be controlled by a pro-Soviet ruthless dictator, instead? Having a Soviet statellite, sitting there with the ability to close the Straits of Hormuz would have been bad.

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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What should we have done instead? Left Iran alone to be controlled by a pro-Soviet ruthless dictator, instead? Having a Soviet statellite, sitting there with the ability to close the Straits of Hormuz would have been bad.

    When studying history, one needs to study the entire picture and not just one small segment.
    We should have let Iran determine it's own fate. You are the one that seems to have very limited knowledge of history. Puppet regimes don't last forever.
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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    We should have let Iran determine it's own fate.
    That's the whole point; the Iranians wouldn't have been determining their own future. Their future would have been determined by Mossadegh was ruling by emergency power. When he wanted to extend those powers another 12 months, the Iranian Parliament refused his request, at which time, Mossadegh dissolved the parliament. Sounds like a dictator, to me; a dictator that was becoming fast friends with the Soviets. You have to remember, the United States and Britian were less than ten years out from the end of WW2, where the Germans, Italians and Japanese had just got done, "determining their own futures".

    You are the one that seems to have very limited knowledge of history. Puppet regimes don't last forever.
    How long did the Soviet supported dictators in Chechoslavakia, Romania, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Poland and The Ukraine Last? Quite some time and how many millions of people died, during that period? How long have Vietnam and North Korea been around?
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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the whole point; the Iranians wouldn't have been determining their own future. Their future would have been determined by Mossadegh was ruling by emergency power. When he wanted to extend those powers another 12 months, the Iranian Parliament refused his request, at which time, Mossadegh dissolved the parliament. Sounds like a dictator, to me; a dictator that was becoming fast friends with the Soviets. You have to remember, the United States and Britian were less than ten years out from the end of WW2, where the Germans, Italians and Japanese had just got done, "determining their own futures".



    How long did the Soviet supported dictators in Chechoslavakia, Romania, Georgia, Yugoslavia, Poland and The Ukraine Last? Quite some time and how many millions of people died, during that period? How long have Vietnam and North Korea been around?
    So you believe the US putting our own dictator in power in Iran was a good thing? The people would have risen up against the Soviet puppet probably sooner than they did with the Shah. At that time we would not be their enemy. Like we are now. The Soviets would be.
    The US manipulating other governments doesn't work. US installing and supporting dictators doesn't work.
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 01-31-11 at 06:54 PM.

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    Re: It's goning to get ugly in Eqypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    It always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
    Be careful what you wish for.

    We back these people, b/c the alternative to them is far worse.

    As we will soon see in Egypt.

    Welcome to Iran 1979 part 2.

    Islamic fundamentalism is at the Egyptian doorstep. And your gonna cheer it on?

    The Muslim Brotherhood is evil and terrorist related.

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