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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Sorry I have to disagree with some of what you are saying, I'm sure there are places that pay them badly, but there are also places where they earn more money then many American's As I stated before I'm in the construction industry, I have “seen” 30 man crews walk of the job with over $1,000 each for the week … this is cash in hand. Now I don't know where you are from, but to many folks this would not be considered a pittance. Also this is not an isolated case, this is quite common in the construction industry.

    As for those evil greedy employers, again I'm speaking only of the construction industry, that just isn't the case. In fact ...if you look at how most businesses are run, it would be considered losing money. Case in point, lets say the job I'm doing has been sold for 25million, the company's profit is a percentage of that, now if that same job had to be sold for 30million, because of labor costs being higher, and they maintained the same profit percentage, they would make more by it costing 30million then the 25 million.

    One thing that needs changing in this nation of ours, is the thinking that business is evil, and profits are a bad thing, the only reason I can see for going into business, is to make a profit, and that profit has to create a better living for you then working for someone else, if it doesn't then why go into business, and live with the headaches of owning a business.

    When was the last time anyone here worried about making a $15,000 a week payroll? When was the last time you went down and took a 30 day loan out to meet payroll because someone who owed you money was late in paying, you don't have the option of telling your employee's that they are going to have to wait because you don't have their money, at least not if you are going to stay in business for long. To those that keep harping on those evil business men, try starting and running one, I think your tune would quickly change
    And what would you tell legal immigrants and citizens who have lost those construction jobs, who are loosing their homes because they cannot find work, because construction jobs are going to illegal immigrants, who are using stolen SS or green card #'s to get those jobs? They do not and cannot pay state/federal income tax on their earnings, because they're earning that money in violation of USA law. The government has a website where SS and green card #'s can be instantaneously validated. If employers do not validate the legal status of their employers, then those employers are breaking the law and deserve to be sanctioned according to our immigration laws.

    I know it's difficult not to sympathize with people who have struggled so hard to reach America for a better life. But where is the sympathy for those who have struggled so hard to reach America legally, and who cannot find jobs because illegals have taken those jobs? Where is the sympathy for the citizen construction worker, who cannot find jobs because illegals have taken those jobs? What is the responsibility of employers to make sure that their employers are here legally, or are citizens of the country.

    Sorry, illegals would not be flooding across the borders if there were no jobs available, and there would be no jobs available if American employers made certain that they were hiring only legal immigrants and citizens who were not stealing the identities of others, who were not breaking American laws, and who need that money just as badly to support their own families.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And what would you tell legal immigrants and citizens who have lost those construction jobs, who are loosing their homes because they cannot find work, because construction jobs are going to illegal immigrants, who are using stolen SS or green card #'s to get those jobs? They do not and cannot pay state/federal income tax on their earnings, because they're earning that money in violation of USA law. The government has a website where SS and green card #'s can be instantaneously validated. If employers do not validate the legal status of their employers, then those employers are breaking the law and deserve to be sanctioned according to our immigration laws.

    I know it's difficult not to sympathize with people who have struggled so hard to reach America for a better life. But where is the sympathy for those who have struggled so hard to reach America legally, and who cannot find jobs because illegals have taken those jobs? Where is the sympathy for the citizen construction worker, who cannot find jobs because illegals have taken those jobs? What is the responsibility of employers to make sure that their employers are here legally, or are citizens of the country.

    Sorry, illegals would not be flooding across the borders if there were no jobs available, and there would be no jobs available if American employers made certain that they were hiring only legal immigrants and citizens who were not stealing the identities of others, who were not breaking American laws, and who need that money just as badly to support their own families.
    Opps thinking you are misunderstand my post, I am not making a case for illegal immigrants, I'm merely stating the facts as they are now.

    As for the validating of employee's .. there is no such law, on the jobsite, all that is required is that we have a SS card and drivers license on file, for the workers on the job site. They do not at this time have to be validated thought the government site.

    As far as the “evil” companies, I was pointing out how many don't benefit from the illegals, most businesses that I know, work of a percentage for their profits, once the cost of the job is determined, their profits are added on. The very same profit is added no matter what the cost of the job is. In reality the higher the job costs are, the more profit that can be made.

    The whole point of the last part of my post was to say that profits are not evil, they are expected when running a business. Again .. the entire purpose of starting a business, is for you and your family to be better off then they would be working for someone, and to point out that there are many headaches and a lot of stress in running any business.

    While I agree 100% with your last statement, you must also remember that would cause a increase to the consumer, and I'm not saying that is a bad thing, it would just be a result. Anyone can tell you that sometimes as Americans we want our cake and want to eat it as well, Just like in our Auto industry, everyone shouts "buy American" and that changes when they go to buy, and finds that hey that import that is $5,000 less really isn't so bad.

    As I said this and my prior post is in no way making a case for illegal immigrants, I'm probably more against them then you are ... I'm just pointing out the realities of what is.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    I can’t believe that it costs $12,000.00+ to kick a Mexican back into Mexico.
    rediculous isnt it..? i would like to see the numbers before i even consider that cost estimate to have any truth behind it.

    im with the others here who believe steep fines and/or jail time is in order.
    such as fining the employer the avg household income in their area per illegal found in their employ..

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If I had it my way not only would we severely fine the companies that hire illegals but make them subject to the same laws that drug dealers, mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities. Upon conviction their property and assets should be seized and they should be thrown in prison. It takes two to tango. So just like an illegal alien can face jail time and be deported, the traitors who hire these illegals should be severely punished with prison time,loss of assets,severely fined as well as pay for the costs of jailing and deporting illegals.
    My only concern here would be what would happen to the property?
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    My only concern here would be what would happen to the property?
    The property should be sold. The money received from selling that property should go to state. As far as I know the tax payers in the state have to pay for law enforcement that helped catch the scumbags who hired illegals, have to pay for the tax payer funded assistance of those who lost their jobs to illegals, have to pay to incarcerate the scumbags who hired illegals and to incarcerate and deport illegals.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I do feel sorry for them, all they are trying to do is improve their lives, and they are being exploited by greedy assholes just trying to improve their bottom line.
    Seriously Star, if they wanted to improve their lives and the lives of their families, they'd stay home and improve their country instead. Cowards run from their problems, hero's confront them.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Wow, a return to enforcing the law. What a novel idea.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Immigration: Republicans call on Obama administration to return to workplace raids - latimes.com



    What really surprises me is to find out how off all the anti-immigrant ranting seems to have been. The article goes on and presents some information that I was unaware of previously.






    It seems this administration HAS been having more success with fewer raids, and also more success than the previous administration
    Well the amt it costs to deport one illegal immigrant is ridiculous, but that is how our government works. How is it it costs them 12.5k but the average person can get on a bus and go anywhere in the U.S. for a hundred?? (I know its going to cost more than a hundred) but seriously, it really is such a crazy wacked number and just like anything else, if we spent the 1/10th that we should be spending, a considerable portion of our budgetary problems would be non existent. I think it is high time to get these administrative costs under control, because that is where it is all coming from.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    That is simply not true. When they purchase fuel, consumables, etc..., they are paying taxes as well. They also pay federal income taxes.



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    I'd call that a
    When the illegals are gone and legal citizens and legal aliens take their place they will be paying taxes. We won't lose a thing in the long run when we they also aren't using social services and other benefits.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    All right then buddy. See you out in the orange fields.

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