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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As contract labor, they can work for any amount they want.
    If that is true so can any other American, I fail to see the relation.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If that is true so can any other American, I fail to see the relation.
    Of course any American can, but alot of Americans aren't going to work for $3 an hour.

    It's hard enough to get Americans to do manual labor for $100+ a day, much less $30 a day.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course any American can, but alot of Americans aren't going to work for $3 an hour.
    And legal immigrants would?
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This ^^^^

    I cannot support enough ICE raids and holding company's / corporations responsible and fining them heavily for hiring illegals. If I had my way, I'd fine company's who knowingly hire illegals $1M per illegal, and tack it onto their IRS taxes for the rest of their lives. Of course, I'd post a public notice 90 days before hand, with a short bio on all the officers who will be carrying out the raid, just to show how fair and serious I'd be in carrying it out.
    First thing on Monday morning and I find myself in agreement with my conservative friends here. Is this omen for an odd week ahead?

    That said, I am not in agreement with the $1M per illegal as I think justice should be certain on those that violate and not levied on a surrogate. One company should not pay of the sins of another, just its own sins.... but companies should realize that if you hire an illegal it could cost you big-time.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, most don't. Most rat-hole millions in American cash and smuggle that money out of the country.
    If you could prove it, you would have done so already.

    From the same source:

    The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

    The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

    Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

    Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

    The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    If you could prove it, you would have done so already.

    From the same source:
    Data like this can be very misleading, because it doesn't take anything else into consideration, I'll accept that they pay the reported 9 billion, but in reading your post ( I'm sorry I think I missed your link to the information) it states that they paid 9 billion in taxes on 75 billion in wages, that works out to 12% of their reported wages, that is more then what is paid into SS and Medicare so I think we have to assume that also includes federal income tax.

    That aside, one has to consider the expense of illegals as well, to our welfare rolls, our health costs, and crime as well.
    Right now the closest numbers I can find is 120,589,850* that is legally working in the US so to make up for the sold called benefit paid into SS, each legal working member of the US would have to pay and additional $1.45 per week.

    So altho you proved that yes some pay taxes, there is very little and most probably no benefit that citizens reap from this.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were so eager to flame me, that you didn't even read what I wrote.
    Gosh, I'm sorry. Next time I'll do what you do and simply refuse to admit I'm wrong even in the face of evidence contradicting my position.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You said most.

    I'm saying you can't possibly know how many do, so you can't quantify the number even vaguely.
    Also, apdst, you forgot to reply to this post.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    That is simply not true. When they purchase fuel, consumables, etc..., they are paying taxes as well. They also pay federal income taxes.



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    I'd call that a
    Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it.

    So if it is hard to tally then how can we rely on the 9 billion dollar figure? How about an estimate of how much taxes are not being paid? If all of the jobs were legal and all of them were paying taxes I am pretty sure it would be a net gain.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    when you ain't getting paid squat, and you can claim a few dependents, they don't take much out of your pay for taxes, and if you file at the end of the year, you can get earned income tax credit, EITC, which pays refunds even tho you didn't pay any into the system....but I don't know the rules on that. Can immigrants get that?
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