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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am all for this. For too many years, the illegals have been made out to be the heavies in this issue, when all they are doing is trying to make a living. But the real crooks behind it all are the employers who hire them, and who should be in jail.

    Here is the deal, the way I see it:

    1) Workplace raids? You betcha. Deport all illegal aliens caught up in them.

    2) Prison terms for the employers who hire them. This should be enacted as a Federal felony, punishable by a year in jail for the first offense, and 5 years in prison for the second.

    Enact this, and then we can watch the flow of illegals into this country slow to a trickle.
    I would allow the employers to serve their time on a prison farm, growing vegetables....
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, they're doing it illegally. Drug dealers are only trying to improve their lives, too. Feel sorry for a drug dealer?



    The illegals aren't paying a dime in taxes, either. I'd say they're taking advantage of the system, just like the employers are.
    They do pay tax's when they buy stuff, they aren't paying all the taxes they would, but don't pretend they don't pay anything. Also I don't classify illegal immigrants as bad people, just people trying to improve their lives, and I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, while also stopping the people exploiting the illegal immigrants by giving them jobs at unreasonable wages. That will solve illegal immigration.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    That is simply not true. When they purchase fuel, consumables, etc..., they are paying taxes as well. They also pay federal income taxes.



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    They don't pay payroll, nor income taxes. Sales taxes are a drop in the bucket. I wish that I could get away with just paying sales taxes.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    For a long time, I have said that if you want to curb illegal immigration of our southern border, the easiest way to do so, is to hammer those that employee those illegals.

    There is however a side effect to this, that most American's will not like, I happen to work in an industry that is dominated by Mexican workers most can and do have a SS card and a drivers license. I know this because I have to have copies on file, and have to be able to produce them to protect the company I work for from such fines being levied.

    I work in the construction industry, and have had Fred Flintstone, Bill Clinton, and John Wayne to list a few working on my sites. But by the law, the company is covered because we have SS cards and drivers licenses on file. So the law is very weak, and only those that have a blatant disregard for it are ever fined.

    The side effect I mentioned is going to be higher costs, in rental apartments, housing developments, and even most commercial projects, which in return is going to lead to higher rental costs, and higher costs in affordable housing.

    The higher costs come from various things, not just wages, because many of the subcontracting crews pay these people well, or it might be better to say they earn a good wage, the major difference being that most are not paid an hourly wage, they are paid for production, the more they produce, the more they are paid, and they as a whole, tend to work harder, longer, and their production, far exceeds that of hourly workers.

    This is not an attack on the American work force, it's just stating something that is factual, and American people are sometimes fickle when it comes to wanting things produced and made by American's then being presented with such things, only to find them more expensive.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They don't pay payroll, nor income taxes. Sales taxes are a drop in the bucket. I wish that I could get away with just paying sales taxes.
    Incorrect. Many illegals pay various taxes on the federal level.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    For a long time, I have said that if you want to curb illegal immigration of our southern border, the easiest way to do so, is to hammer those that employee those illegals.

    There is however a side effect to this, that most American's will not like, I happen to work in an industry that is dominated by Mexican workers most can and do have a SS card and a drivers license. I know this because I have to have copies on file, and have to be able to produce them to protect the company I work for from such fines being levied.

    I work in the construction industry, and have had Fred Flintstone, Bill Clinton, and John Wayne to list a few working on my sites. But by the law, the company is covered because we have SS cards and drivers licenses on file. So the law is very weak, and only those that have a blatant disregard for it are ever fined.

    The side effect I mentioned is going to be higher costs, in rental apartments, housing developments, and even most commercial projects, which in return is going to lead to higher rental costs, and higher costs in affordable housing.

    The higher costs come from various things, not just wages, because many of the subcontracting crews pay these people well, or it might be better to say they earn a good wage, the major difference being that most are not paid an hourly wage, they are paid for production, the more they produce, the more they are paid, and they as a whole, tend to work harder, longer, and their production, far exceeds that of hourly workers.

    This is not an attack on the American work force, it's just stating something that is factual, and American people are sometimes fickle when it comes to wanting things produced and made by American's then being presented with such things, only to find them more expensive.
    Yep, and it's not your responsibility to check to make sure all thos DL's and SSC's are legit.

    I doubt, though, that we'll see an effort by the government to launch an investigation into how many illegals are stealing identities.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Incorrect. Many illegals pay various taxes on the federal level.
    But, most don't. Most rat-hole millions in American cash and smuggle that money out of the country.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They do pay tax's when they buy stuff, they aren't paying all the taxes they would, but don't pretend they don't pay anything. Also I don't classify illegal immigrants as bad people, just people trying to improve their lives, and I think that it should be easier for people to immigrate legally, while also stopping the people exploiting the illegal immigrants by giving them jobs at unreasonable wages. That will solve illegal immigration.
    Then, they will come here legally and work for $3 an hour, undercutting American labor.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Incorrect. Many illegals pay various taxes on the federal level.
    Disagree, far more are hired as independant contractors, and no federal taxes are taken from their pay. again .. not all ..but most

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, most don't.
    You do not (and can't possibly) know that. Illegals that pay income taxes do it using a fabricated or stolen identity. Their success in doing so depends on their ability to do so without being noticed.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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