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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    I am all for this. For too many years, the illegals have been made out to be the heavies in this issue, when all they are doing is trying to make a living. But the real crooks behind it all are the employers who hire them, and who should be in jail.

    Here is the deal, the way I see it:

    1) Workplace raids? You betcha. Deport all illegal aliens caught up in them.

    2) Prison terms for the employers who hire them. This should be enacted as a Federal felony, punishable by a year in jail for the first offense, and 5 years in prison for the second.

    Enact this, and then we can watch the flow of illegals into this country slow to a trickle.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am all for this. For too many years, the illegals have been made out to be the heavies in this issue, when all they are doing is trying to make a living. But the real crooks behind it all are the employers who hire them, and who should be in jail.

    Here is the deal, the way I see it:

    1) Workplace raids? You betcha. Deport all illegal aliens caught up in them.

    2) Prison terms for the employers who hire them. This should be enacted as a Federal felony, punishable by a year in jail for the first offense, and 5 years in prison for the second.

    Enact this, and then we can watch the flow of illegals into this country slow to a trickle.
    I agree. Just make the hiring managers and/or HR responsible and on the hook and watch things straighten up.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

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    I have no problem with this, it not only hurts Americans but also the illegals. They are getting screwed out of an American wage, and these companies are doing nothing more then ripping us all off, and pocketing the savings brought on by illegal work.
    Yeah, but they pay a penny in taxes, either. So, I would wait a minute before I felt sorry for them.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I agree. Just make the hiring managers and/or HR responsible and on the hook and watch things straighten up.
    I think we should just enforce the law. It's already illegal to hire an illegal alien.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Immigration: Republicans call on Obama administration to return to workplace raids - latimes.com



    What really surprises me is to find out how off all the anti-immigrant ranting seems to have been. The article goes on and presents some information that I was unaware of previously.






    It seems this administration HAS been having more success with fewer raids, and also more success than the previous administration
    They could offset the costs of these raids and the deportations by heavily fining those doing the hiring.

    I see the illegal problem as a supply/demand issue -- if people were being hit with huge fines and even face jail time for using undocumented workers, the number of available jobs would decline.

    I support heavy fines for employers who use illegals-- of course, forcing CA farms to use documented workers would drive up the cost of many items -- a trip to the supermarket would become quite expensive. CA wines would cost as much as French wines.

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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This ^^^^

    I cannot support enough ICE raids and holding company's / corporations responsible and fining them heavily for hiring illegals. If I had my way, I'd fine company's who knowingly hire illegals $1M per illegal, and tack it onto their IRS taxes for the rest of their lives. Of course, I'd post a public notice 90 days before hand, with a short bio on all the officers who will be carrying out the raid, just to show how fair and serious I'd be in carrying it out.
    If I had it my way not only would we severely fine the companies that hire illegals but make them subject to the same laws that drug dealers, mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities. Upon conviction their property and assets should be seized and they should be thrown in prison. It takes two to tango. So just like an illegal alien can face jail time and be deported, the traitors who hire these illegals should be severely punished with prison time,loss of assets,severely fined as well as pay for the costs of jailing and deporting illegals.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    deport the illegal and the guy that hired him... a boeing 707 and a parachute, it's pretty cheap.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but they pay a penny in taxes, either. So, I would wait a minute before I felt sorry for them.
    I do feel sorry for them, all they are trying to do is improve their lives, and they are being exploited by greedy assholes just trying to improve their bottom line.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I do feel sorry for them, all they are trying to do is improve their lives, and they are being exploited by greedy assholes just trying to improve their bottom line.
    But, they're doing it illegally. Drug dealers are only trying to improve their lives, too. Feel sorry for a drug dealer?

    and they are being exploited by greedy assholes just trying to improve their bottom line.
    The illegals aren't paying a dime in taxes, either. I'd say they're taking advantage of the system, just like the employers are.
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    Re: Republicans want a return to workplace immigration raids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but they pay a penny in taxes, either. So, I would wait a minute before I felt sorry for them.
    That is simply not true. When they purchase fuel, consumables, etc..., they are paying taxes as well. They also pay federal income taxes.

    Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year.

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    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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