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White House to Push Gun Control

Boo Radley said:
You're not listening. Read slower. Testimony is only a claim without actual evidence to support that claim. We have to have more information on the blacked out parts. Without knowing why, we cannot leap to blocking the investigation. Right now all you have is suppostion what you accept because your want to believe it. Nothing more.
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Wrong..

Testimony IS evidence.
Or do you expect all citizens of the United States to carry video or audio recorders with them and have them on 24/7 in order to support their testimony?
 
Caine said:
Wrong..

Testimony IS evidence.
Or do you expect all citizens of the United States to carry video or audio recorders with them and have them on 24/7 in order to support their testimony?
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Not when it is speculation. You can't say they are trying to hinder investigation without providing more than just his word. It carries no weight. None.

What I expect is for anyone who makes a claim to present more than because I said so.
 
you're suggesting mr melson is LYING?

now, why would president barack the slash appoint a LIAR to direct his atf?

speculate much?

LOL!

holder should go

holder's a loser
 
Boo Radley said:
Not when it is speculation. You can't say they are trying to hinder investigation without providing more than just his word. It carries no weight. None.

What I expect is for anyone who makes a claim to present more than because I said so.
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And you know this to be speculation? You KNOW this was not supported by anything?
 
Boo Radley said:
Only if someone presses charges. Saying I think they are supressing information isn't evidence. It's his opinion. You have trouble with the difference between fact and opinion. But I understand, you really, really want to believe this.
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You can deny it all you want but it does show the DOJ that Obama is responsible for is obstructing the investigation
 
Caine said:
And you know this to be speculation? You KNOW this was not supported by anything?
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If you have something, show it. If someone, anyone, you, ptif219, anyone accepts this without seeing something, it is speculation as you don't have the that something. You know it is speculation because the evidence is there for us to see. Until it is, it is prue speculation as to whether this is fact or not, true or not.
 
The Prof said:
you're suggesting mr melson is LYING?

now, why would president barack the slash appoint a LIAR to direct his atf?

speculate much?

LOL!

holder should go

holder's a loser
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You're suggesting Clinton told the truth? :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
If you have something, show it. If someone, anyone, you, ptif219, anyone accepts this without seeing something, it is speculation as you don't have the that something. You know it is speculation because the evidence is there for us to see. Until it is, it is prue speculation as to whether this is fact or not, true or not.
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You will not accept the proof. You are not able to see fault or corruption in Obama
 
Boo Radley said:
it is prue speculation as to whether this is fact or not, true or not.
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no, it is the TESTIMONY of the sitting atf

what is all speculation, in contrast, is any suggestion that melson is lying

ie, you're WRONG again
 
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ptif219 said:
You will not accept the proof. You are not able to see fault or corruption in Obama
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Again, unspupported testimoney is quite meaningless. To understand this, all you have to is look at how many accepted Clinton's testimoney that he didn't have sexual relations. Your willingess to accept something with nothing more than his claim speaks to your problem and not mine. It is not proof.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, unspupported testimoney is quite meaningless. To understand this, all you have to is look at how many accepted Clinton's testimoney that he didn't have sexual relations. Your willingess to accept something with nothing more than his claim speaks to your problem and not mine. It is not proof.
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It is not unsupported when you add the blacked out papers. Holder is doing all he can to stop the investigation. They tried to get Melson to resign and that also failed.

You refuse to look at the actions of the Obama administration
 
ptif219 said:
It is not unsupported when you add the blacked out papers. Holder is doing all he can to stop the investigation. They tried to get Melson to resign and that also failed.

You refuse to look at the actions of the Obama administration
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The black out pages don't tell us anything. They really don't as we don't know why they are balecked out. This is not hard to understand.
 
Ok...lets agree on this much. Whoever authorized this didnt think it through and it should be shut down and culpable parties charged. Agree?
 
The Prof said:
who cares

holder needs to go

he's incompetent

and his honesty is in question
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As mentioned before - if something like this happened with a Republican in the WH, the liberals would be lined up with pitchforks and torches.
The Mighty (D) Shield buys a lot of liberal silence.
 
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PzKfW IVe said:
As mentioned before - if something like this happened with a Republican in the WH, the liberals would be lined up with pitchforks and torched.
The Mighty (D) Shield buys a lot of liberal silence.
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The Mighty (R) a lot of republican silence.
 
ptif219 said:
It tells us Holden is hiding information
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No, it tells there may be sensitive information. But we have no way of knowning if it is what you claim. We need more information. All you've shown so far is that you want to believe.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it tells there may be sensitive information. But we have no way of knowning if it is what you claim. We need more information. All you've shown so far is that you want to believe.
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So congressman do not have a security clearance? Yet they control laws of the highest security.

Nice spin but the information could be released in a closed session.. Holder is hiding evidence
 
ptif219 said:
So congressman do not have a security clearance? Yet they control laws of the highest security.

Nice spin but the information could be released in a closed session.. Holder is hiding evidence
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I'm sure they do, or at least some do, but generally, not to be seen in public. You'll notice outside of grandstanding, no one has yet gone after Holder. Begs the question doesn't it, putting your supposition in doubt?
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm sure they do, or at least some do, but generally, not to be seen in public. You'll notice outside of grandstanding, no one has yet gone after Holder. Begs the question doesn't it, putting your supposition in doubt?
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The only question that is left begging right now is what did Holder, or the President know, and when did they know it?

j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
All you've shown so far is that you want to believe
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says the person who suggests the sitting atf is LYING

LOL!

why did mr melson testify to house judiciary on july 4 that doj was trying to limit his communication with congress

why did the white house pressure mr melson to quit when the UNMONITORED SALE OF FORTY THOUSAND ASSAULT WEAPONS TO MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS involved almost every agency within the dept

either way, holder should go

he's not smart and he's not forthright

standards, anyone?
 
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