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White House to Push Gun Control

Boo Radley said:
Now, welcome here to the other extreme. We rarely hunt criminals as civilians. Only my reluctance to ever say never keeps me from saying, well, we never do. But, that romantacism sneaks in now and again. ;)
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people do all the time. someone breaks into your home and your family is separated what do you do.

I can help you out-I have instructed people in such arts. Do you know what "slicing the pie" means?
 
TurtleDude said:
people do all the time. someone breaks into your home and your family is separated what do you do.

I can help you out-I have instructed people in such arts. Do you know what "slicing the pie" means?
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I've been around jr. Never needed to slice the pie. ;)

You think you need something more than you do. And are more likely to harm your self or a loved one. We don't shoot a lot of criminals as civilains.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL more constitutional stupidity
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if you think the 2nd Amendment was written to have an armed citizen-Militia, to be used to rebel & revolt AGAINST the democratically-elected government of the United States, then you have the Constitution backwards.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've been around jr. Never needed to slice the pie. ;)

You think you need something more than you do. And are more likely to harm your self or a loved one. We don't shoot a lot of criminals as civilains.
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lol!!!!!!!!!!

:lol: good one man!!
 
Boo Radley said:
I've been around jr. Never needed to slice the pie. ;)

You think you need something more than you do. And are more likely to harm your self or a loved one. We don't shoot a lot of criminals as civilains.
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I have shot a criminal

I guess your fear of firearms is amusing. God help you if you ever have to use one to save yourself
 
thunder said:
if you think the 2nd amendment was written to have an armed citizen-militia, to be used to rebel & revolt against the democratically-elected government of the united states, then you have the constitution backwards.
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strawman alert-your qualification is dishonest (yet again)
 
The USSC ruled the right to own guns is Constitutionally protected. There is a solution to that. Outside of that, I'm not sure how this got to almost 100 pages.
 
1Perry said:
The USSC ruled the right to own guns is Constitutionally protected. There is a solution to that. Outside of that, I'm not sure how this got to almost 100 pages.
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yes, SCOTUS has ruled that the American people have the right to own guns.

but anyone who actually takes the time to read Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, can clearly see that the purpose of the armed citizen-Militia, was to protect & defend our democracy, NOT to subvert it.
 
Thunder said:
Turtledude- have you EVER read Article 1 Section 8, of the US Constitution?
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MOre times than you could count

And your claim is still a strawman
 
Thunder said:
yes, SCOTUS has ruled that the American people have the right to own guns.

but anyone who actually takes the time to read Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, can clearly see that the purpose of the armed citizen-Militia, was to protect & defend our democracy, NOT to subvert it.
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duh-and in some cases a government could be the subverting force
 
Thunder said:
yes, SCOTUS has ruled that the American people have the right to own guns.

but anyone who actually takes the time to read Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, can clearly see that the purpose of the armed citizen-Militia, was to protect & defend our democracy, NOT to subvert it.
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I'm going to guess that they are a little more familiar with the Article than you are. Obvious it's not so clear as you wish it to be.

But, now, as I said, you have a remedy.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, belief means nothing. You need evidence. Actual, factual, on point evidence.
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It has been shown you will not accept it. Explain Melson saying Holder is trying to block his testimony
 
1Perry said:
I'm going to guess that they are a little more familiar with the Article than you are. Obvious it's not so clear as you wish it to be..
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I am now willing to concede that the SCOTUS believes that the 2nd Amendment allows the people to keep and bear arms, due to the neccessity of a citizen-Militia.

But the Constitution is clear as to the purpose of this armed citizen-Militia, and it is NOT to rebel & revolt against the democratically-elected govervment of the USA.

got anything to back up the claim that the 2nd Amendment was written for such a purpose?
 
Thunder said:
I am now willing to concede that the SCOTUS believes that the 2nd Amendment allows the people to keep and bear arms, due to the neccessity of a citizen-Militia.

But the Constitution is clear as to the purpose of this armed citizen-Militia, and it is NOT to rebel & revolt against the democratically-elected govervment of the USA.

got anything to back up the claim that the 2nd Amendment was written for such a purpose?
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I believe that strawman was dispatched a while ago
 
ptif219 said:
When at home I carry 2.
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Nothing is more tiresome than listening to people who are clueless about guns and their proper use telling us who are what we need or what we should have
 
Иосиф Сталин;1059660038 said:
Ban all weapons and repeal the 2nd amendment. This is not a country of cowboys. This is supposed to be a civilized nation.
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Then we would have the problems Mexico has with the drug cartels
 
Thunder said:
I am now willing to concede that the SCOTUS believes that the 2nd Amendment allows the people to keep and bear arms, due to the neccessity of a citizen-Militia.

But the Constitution is clear as to the purpose of this armed citizen-Militia, and it is NOT to rebel & revolt against the democratically-elected govervment of the USA.

got anything to back up the claim that the 2nd Amendment was written for such a purpose?
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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
— Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

— Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"The Strongest Reason for the People to Retain Their Right to Keep and Bear Arms is as a Last Resort to Protect Themselves Against Tyranny in Government" - Thomas Jefferson
 
1Perry said:
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
— Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

— Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"The Strongest Reason for the People to Retain Their Right to Keep and Bear Arms is as a Last Resort to Protect Themselves Against Tyranny in Government" - Thomas Jefferson
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link?

forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
 
Thunder said:
I am now willing to concede that the SCOTUS believes that the 2nd Amendment allows the people to keep and bear arms, due to the neccessity of a citizen-Militia.

But the Constitution is clear as to the purpose of this armed citizen-Militia, and it is NOT to rebel & revolt against the democratically-elected govervment of the USA.

got anything to back up the claim that the 2nd Amendment was written for such a purpose?
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Who said anything about a revolt?
 
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