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White House to Push Gun Control

jamesrage said:
30 years ago? You made it sound like you go hunting every now and then.

"Not a gun hater. I've actually been know to hunt with one. But, hey, don't let a good false sterotype slow you down"
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Sorry if that is what you got from it. My bad. Don't need to hunt today. The point was I don't hate guns. When needed, I have no problem using one. Hate implies an aversion to one.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sorry if that is what you got from it. My bad. Don't need to hunt today. The point was I don't hate guns. When needed, I have no problem using one. Hate implies an aversion to one.
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Kind of hard to say you are not a gun hater when you are using something you did almost 30 years ago as an example to prove you don't hate guns.
 
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chuck schmidt said:
Bullseye is a ball powder if I recollect properly. I've never used it but a friend used to come over and reload with me and he did. I have always used Dupont extruded powders. Who cares? Do you have an encyclopedic knowledge of arcane reloading info? Good for you. My experience is probably more limited than yours. I reload for my personal shotguns and rifles for fun, not a gun obsession. When it gets to be a chore and boring I walk away until next time it calls me or until hunting season. If you have never had a boring moment playing with guns we're probably not on the same wavelength. No doubt you believe in armed civilians walking around in public loaded down with handguns with which to shoot other people?
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Armed citizens already walk around in public with handguns, in about 41 states at least.... and they've proven to be very peaceful and law abiding.

Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[61]

Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[62]
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chuck schmidt said:
This is a bullying question like dove's attack on my post. It does not address the substance of the debate but is a mere assault on the individual making a point. It appears to be typical of the gun lobby and part of the attititude common to gun extremists. This propensity to personal attack is part of the reason why so many American males should not be permitted to carry handguns in public. That's why we hire police.
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I am an ex-cop, and I wouldn't be the only one to tell you that a gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
 
chuck schmidt said:
Bullseye is a ball powder if I recollect properly. I've never used it but a friend used to come over and reload with me and he did. I have always used Dupont extruded powders. Who cares? Do you have an encyclopedic knowledge of arcane reloading info? Good for you. My experience is probably more limited than yours. I reload for my personal shotguns and rifles for fun, not a gun obsession. When it gets to be a chore and boring I walk away until next time it calls me or until hunting season. If you have never had a boring moment playing with guns we're probably not on the same wavelength. No doubt you believe in armed civilians walking around in public loaded down with handguns with which to shoot other people?
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basic knowledge

231 has a sharper recoil than bullseye but is cleaner 231 5.7-5.8 grains, Bullseye around 5.2

yeah I believe honest people ought to be able to defend themselves against those who disobey gun laws, laws against rape and murder

you apparently are of the deluded opinion that banning honest people from carrying defensive handguns will prevent people who are already banned from owing any type of firearm from using them criminally.

shooting other people is not necessarily wrong-I know, I shot a mugger once

not pleasant but the best alternative available to me
 
Boo Radley said:
There is certainly an issue there, and lack of adequate health care is part of that issue. However, that's another thread. ;)
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However, that is exactly what you are aruging here. And it's not "Health Care" per se, but rather, Mental Health Care. Can you show from your assertion that the availibility of a gun was the cause of the suicide? Or is it that insufficent Mental Health Care of depression led these people to comtemplate killing themselves, and if it were'nt gun, it would be a filled bath tub, or a bottle of Tylenol, and cough syrup.


j-mac
 
TurtleDude said:
basic knowledge
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So what? I have nothing to prove to you. If I had given the chemical composition you would have fault-found. Your question was not intended as a discussion of reloading.

231 has a sharper recoil than bullseye but is cleaner 231 5.7-5.8 grains, Bullseye around 5.2
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Fine, but at the moment I'm not interested. A couple of years ago someone suggested that I change a .270 load from IMR4831 to RL22 (?) to overcome a pressure issue. I intend to try that when I get around to it, but not yet.
yeah I believe honest people ought to be able to defend themselves against those who disobey gun laws, laws against rape and murder
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From which you doubtless imply that those of us who disagree with your position are in support of rapists and murderers? Sorry but we disagree.

you apparently are of the deluded opinion that banning honest people from carrying defensive handguns will prevent people who are already banned from owing any type of firearm from using them criminally.
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Deluded because I do not share your opinion? Because you claim to be a lawyer how about you answer a skill testing question - a real low-level one just to stop your blood pressure from rising. In the classic story of the 5 wise men hanging on to an animal,
  1. What species of animal,
  2. What were they holding,
  3. What religion were they, and
  4. What is the moral of the story?
shooting other people is not necessarily wrong-I know, I shot a mugger once

not pleasant but the best alternative available to me
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That is not something we needed to know, is it? I discern that you are quite proud of the fact, no?
 
I grew up in a household that had guns and I am also trained in how to use them, but honestly I don't see the point. I'm not anti-gun or whatever they're calling it these days down south, but you can't stop the government with guns. A home invader maybe, but the 2nd amendment isn't about home invasion, it's about government.

If this is about a well trained militia - good luck. If the civilian population ever has to fight the government, the only hope in hell that they have is that the military takes their side, otherwise you're dust. No guns you have will stop tanks, aircraft, or heavy artillery.
 
if someone has cancer you don't blow him up with a bomb-you remove the cancer
 
TurtleDude said:
if someone has cancer you don't blow him up with a bomb-you remove the cancer
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Are you suggesting that you would take up arms against a lawful government in America?

I see you haven't answered my skill-testing question yet, counsel. Googling it, are you?
 
chuck schmidt said:
Are you suggesting that you would take up arms against a lawful government in America?

I see you haven't answered my skill-testing question yet, counsel. Googling it, are you?
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I don't feel a need to answer someone who have been proven ignorant on this subject

and we await your solution to all the handgun problems you seem to think exists

so tell us, how are you going to rid america of that manhood substitution called handguns so that criminals are disarmed
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't feel a need to answer someone who have been proven ignorant on this subject
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You claim to be a lawyer yet you cannot answer a diorect question about one of the oldest common-law traditions?

so tell us, how are you going to rid america of that manhood substitution called handguns so that criminals are disarmed
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Gee, my position seems to have somewhat exorcised you? Too bad.

I am not going to get rid of any problems. As far as gun problems are concerned, that's why we have laws and police.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Dood... That will be used again and again...... :thumbs:
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Say, Rev, aint' it remarkable how many people we have around who don't seem to understand basic tactics?

They don't seem to get that if you're more heavily armed than the other guy, it actually reduces the odds of the other guy trying anything, all else being equal. Nor the psychological advantage that being better armed gives you if it does come down to shooting.

I mostly use 30 round mags in my AK47, but I have a few short mags for prone shooting. Some times it's good to get down close to the dirt. :) What's your preferences, mag-size-wise, for the AK?
 
Goshin said:
Say, Rev, aint' it remarkable how many people we have around who don't seem to understand basic tactics?

They don't seem to get that if you're more heavily armed than the other guy, it actually reduces the odds of the other guy trying anything, all else being equal. Nor the psychological advantage that being better armed gives you if it does come down to shooting.

I mostly use 30 round mags in my AK47, but I have a few short mags for prone shooting. Some times it's good to get down close to the dirt. :) What's your preferences, mag-size-wise, for the AK?
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I like the harder to find 20 round magazines

I have a bunch of the arsenal bulgarian polymer mags

the one advantage of the longer mag (other than capacity) is speed changes-I have a friend who was in the soviet naval marines and now works in a local gunshop (he's a US citizen now) and he has a neat method for doing a speed change on the AK rifles using the fresh mag to knock loose the seated one and its harder to do with a shorter mag

shooting of a bench rest I use the five round "hunting" mags.

the thirty round bulgarian and russian mags are as reliable as the shorter ones-not the case with say the M1 carbine or the M14
 
TurtleDude said:
I like the harder to find 20 round magazines

I have a bunch of the arsenal bulgarian polymer mags

the one advantage of the longer mag (other than capacity) is speed changes-I have a friend who was in the soviet naval marines and now works in a local gunshop (he's a US citizen now) and he has a neat method for doing a speed change on the AK rifles using the fresh mag to knock loose the seated one and its harder to do with a shorter mag

shooting of a bench rest I use the five round "hunting" mags.

the thirty round bulgarian and russian mags are as reliable as the shorter ones-not the case with say the M1 carbine or the M14
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Yeah I hear ya. I've got a couple 5-rounders for much the same reason. You know, I haven't seen 20 rnd AK mags in a long time... know where any can be had?
 
I simply believe that being a law-abiding citizen, while owning a gun, is a good thing. If there's ever an instance when crime happens to me, my family, or anyone in my vicinity, I can pull out this gun and point and then, you know, pull a trigger and make a loud noise. Then, the burgler/whatever might fall and, in the process, it might prevent said lowlife from doing mean things like murder. Then, like, people would feel relieved knowing that their fate is no longer in the hands of a mean-like person.

Right? Or is that not clear enough?

Oh well. I'll leave you to your cell phone when you're being killed.
 
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Wake said:
I simply believe that being a law-abiding citizen, while owning a gun, is a good thing. If there's ever an instance when crime happens to me, my family, or anyone in my vicinity, I can pull out this gun and point and then, you know, pull a trigger and make a loud noise. Then, the burgler/whatever might fall and, in the process, it might prevent said lowlife from doing mean things like murder. Then, like, people would feel relieved knowing that their fate is no longer in the hands of a mean-like person.

Right? Or is that not clear enough?

Oh well. I'll leave you to your cell phone when you're being killed.
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many lefties outsource most manly duties to the government
 
Temporal said:
I grew up in a household that had guns and I am also trained in how to use them, but honestly I don't see the point. I'm not anti-gun or whatever they're calling it these days down south, but you can't stop the government with guns. A home invader maybe, but the 2nd amendment isn't about home invasion, it's about government.
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Sorry, please re-read the Constitution. I believe that there is something in there about removing a tyrannical Government.

If this is about a well trained militia - good luck. If the civilian population ever has to fight the government, the only hope in hell that they have is that the military takes their side, otherwise you're dust. No guns you have will stop tanks, aircraft, or heavy artillery.
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So you believe that the people are now powerless against the government? And how many of those soldiers do you think would fire? Also, what is your choice? Do nothing? Great.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Sorry, please re-read the Constitution. I believe that there is something in there about removing a tyrannical Government.



So you believe that the people are now powerless against the government? And how many of those soldiers do you think would fire? Also, what is your choice? Do nothing? Great.


j-mac
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some of the ignorant think that people can stay in tanks forever or that those who run a fascist government are immune from a pistol shot to the head or a deer hunter's 30-06 a quarter mile away
 
so where's that presidential push for gun control?

keep waiting

how's ms giffords?

where's krugman, msnbc, the sheriff and the ed staff at the nyt?

why did everyone FORGET?

pray for the congresswoman, her family and all the others violated

pray for the shooter and his family if your spirit is encompassing enough
 
j-mac said:
However, that is exactly what you are aruging here. And it's not "Health Care" per se, but rather, Mental Health Care. Can you show from your assertion that the availibility of a gun was the cause of the suicide? Or is it that insufficent Mental Health Care of depression led these people to comtemplate killing themselves, and if it were'nt gun, it would be a filled bath tub, or a bottle of Tylenol, and cough syrup.


j-mac
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Where have I argued that?
 
who cares

the world isn't like dpforums

ie, it's not ALL ABOUT BOO

meanwhile, where's the white house push for gun control?
 
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