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White House to Push Gun Control

Goshin said:
You know, on second thought you're right.

If you encountered tresspassers, the odds of being involved in a long-range rifle duel would be extremely slight. More like, you'd approach them and there would be a conversation at <25y, and if things went sideways it would probably be during the conversation.

At short range the M4 or AK47 would be far superior to any boltgun.
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I'd prefer the m4, it wasnt an option at the time. ;)
 
well, it's been a couple weeks since over-his-head obama's destitute sotu in which he failed to bring up this issue

where's the white house push for gun control since?

where's the emphasis?

the leadership?

keep waiting, cuz it sure aint forthcoming soon

you may one day get a mention, however

it looks like the president is scared the cause is a loser

and what's going on with the tragically violated ms giffords?

are you keeping her and her family and the others victimized in your prayers?

the party and the msm seem almost completely to have forgotten her

as well as mrs alaska's cross hairs and all that call for civil discourse

who dropped it, why was it dropped?

think about it

and good luck with your gun control measures
 
TurtleDude said:
as long as there are hoplophobes who think that my constitutional rights are subjected to a "needs based test" I and every other freedom loving patriot will need serious firepower
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Please. Try better drugs. Mellow. :coffeepap
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Poachers. part of the job was to go out and patrol the property on an atv looking for poachers, as the owner of the property can be held liable for illegal hunting activities on your land. What would you arm yourself riding out on the land on patrol for folks illegally hunting on your or your boss's land?

Please do tell.
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I personally wouldn't arm myself at all. And I'm not required by law to shoot at anyone. But that is besides the point. A sheriff once taught me an important lesson. If you can't protect yourself without a gun, you can't do it with one. Guns are not magic. They're just a tool. Nothing more.
 
Boo Radley said:
Please. Try better drugs. Mellow. :coffeepap
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non responsive to his point, which is correct. Also, will you be rescinding your claim of "need" based on my history, and scenario? Unless of course you could tell me what better tool I could have used. :ssst:
 
Boo Radley said:
I personally wouldn't arm myself at all. And I'm not required by law to shoot at anyone. But that is besides the point. A sheriff once taught me an important lesson. If you can't protect yourself without a gun, you can't do it with one. Guns are not magic. They're just a tool. Nothing more.
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The sherrif is an idiot. That plattitude makes little sense. For example I worked with a group of parapalegics in home defense. your sherrifs point. Moot.


as for your foolsih declaration of not carrying a gun on the job I explained?


The previous employees didn't carry, two jacked atv's later, and one of them quitting on the account of being shot at..... Well, we decided on a different route than being an unarmed tough guy.


As for "Guns are tools"... If you really want to repeat what I state here on DP all the time, at least know what you are talking about. :shrug:



You have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
non responsive to his point, which is correct. Also, will you be rescinding your claim of "need" based on my history, and scenario? Unless of course you could tell me what better tool I could have used. :ssst:
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No, his point, if you call it that, is not really a point. It's kind of super hyperbole. The 2nd amendment is alive and well in this country. No one needs arm to the hilt.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, his point, if you call it that, is not really a point. It's kind of super hyperbole. The 2nd amendment is alive and well in this country. No one needs arm to the hilt.
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says the guy who wouldn't arm himself against poachers. :roll:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The sherrif is an idiot. That plattitude makes little sense. For example I worked with a group of parapalegics in home defense. your sherrifs point. Moot.


as for your foolsih declaration of not carrying a gun on the job I explained?


The previous employees didn't carry, two jacked atv's later, and one of them quitting on the account of being shot at..... Well, we decided on a different route than being an unarmed tough guy.


As for "Guns are tools"... If you really want to repeat what I state here on DP all the time, at least know what you are talking about. :shrug:



You have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.
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No, He was correct. I even proved to my brother in law, who is well armed, that I could kill him if I wanted and he could not stop me. He got my point when I shot him getting out his truck one night with a paint ball.

Guns are nothing more than a tool. No magic. The brain is always the better weapon.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, He was correct. I even proved to my brother in law, who is well armed, that I could kill him if I wanted and he could not stop me. He got my point when I shot him getting out his truck one night with a paint ball.

Guns are nothing more than a tool. No magic. The brain is always the better weapon.
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WTF are you talking about. You are strawmanning the wrong person. just because you waddled out and shot your brother with a paintball gun means nothing. I have always said training is as important as the tool...


Care to address the rest of that post, or are you conceding an intelligent person wouldn't wander out to the edge of a ranch looking for poachers armed with a smile?
 
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
WTF are you talking about. You are strawmanning the wrong person. just because you waddled out and shot your brother with a paintball gun means nothing. I have always said training is as important as the tool...


Care to address the rest of that post, or are you conceding an intelligent person wouldn't wander out to the edge of a ranch looking for poachers armed with a smile?
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I'm sure you did. I don't doubt that. But I could take you if I wanted. My borther-in-law is well trained as well. You miss the point.

And what did you think was worth addressing? I'll look back at it, but I didn't see anything that said anything. But, I'll look again.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
then why are game wardens armed?



Pa. game warden investigating poaching is killed - Yahoo! News

GAME WARDEN SHOT BY TWO POACHERS - Was Questioning Italians in Woodhaven, L.I., When They Attacked Him With Gun Butts. HIS CONDITION IS SERIOUS Official Was Engaged in Task of Halting Slaughter of Squirrels and Robins. - Article - NYTimes.com

SEO - Florida Game Wardens Killed In the Line Of Duty

Wyoming Game Wardens Association

GA Game Warden shot by coyote hunter - OhioSportsman.com

Official: Game Warden Who Shot Hunter Acted in Self Defense - WGHP




Yup you sure said it. just shows your ignorance, unpreparedness, and foolishness. :shrug:
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They are charged with acting. You are not. You need only report. You have no requirement to arrest or shot anyone. There is a difference.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm sure you did. I don't doubt that. But I could take you if I wanted. My borther-in-law is well trained as well. You miss the point.
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so lets say you did hit my with a paintball, lets say its a 9mm, do you think I'll simply fall like they do on TV or seek cover and return volley?


If your brother is as trained as you claimed, Suprised you weren't shot. :shrug:



And what did you think was worth addressing? I'll look back at it, but I didn't see anything that said anything. But, I'll look again.
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Of course you don't, you'd go out into the woods looking for poachers with nothing but a smile. :roll:
 
Boo Radley said:
They are charged with acting. You are not. You need only report. You have no requirement to arrest or shot anyone. There is a difference.
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yes the difference is you cower and wait for the wolf to take his kill and hope its not you this time, me as a conservationist, acted to prevent illegal hunting activities on land I was hired to patrol, due to the fact that the landowner, could be held responsible for failing to prevent poaching on his property.

do you read? I stated this already.
 
Well, I would certainly hate to be disallowed a gun to protect myself. Truth be told I'm not in favor of waiting for the cops to stop a criminal from robbing/shooting me.

But then again, crime doesn't happen. I mean, just look at the statistics.

This is a no-brainer, people. You take away guns from law-abiding citizens, and you also think criminals will obey your laws. Mayhaps you think this just might me counter-productive, or are we liberally intelligent enough to know police will always be there to protect you? Riiiiiight.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
so lets say you did hit my with a paintball, lets say its a 9mm, do you think I'll simply fall like they do on TV or seek cover and return volley?


If your brother is as trained as you claimed, Suprised you weren't shot. :shrug:







Of course you don't, you'd go out into the woods looking for poachers with nothing but a smile. :roll:
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WHo says I'd hit you just once? And if I hit you in the head, yeah, you'll fall.

I suspect I'd do fine. Never underestimate a good simle. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
WHo says I'd hit you just once? And if I hit you in the head, yeah, you'll fall.

I suspect I'd do fine. Never underestimate a good simle. ;)
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I appreciate the fact that you appear to be speaking for everyone.

Either that or you've proven to be quite an entertainer in your latest posts.

Sincerely, do you know of any alternative besides a gun that can deter criminals? A knife, sword, or spoon? While that might be helpful, I would bet the criminal would be armed.
 
Boo Radley said:
WHo says I'd hit you just once? And if I hit you in the head, yeah, you'll fall.
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OMG, I can not believe I am having this retarded conversation with you. seriously? your argument is that your some super paint ball assasin who does nothing but head shots is idiotic. please dood, don't talk about things you haven't a clue.


gunfights don't go down like they do on TV. the fact you could come up and ambush someone has little weight when discussing this topic. just because what you can do on your call of duty black ops game, does not mean it translates into real life.


You take one scenario, and think it applies to all, especially the one I put forth. idiotic and nonsensical.


I suspect I'd do fine. Never underestimate a good simle. ;)
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Ignorance is bliss.....


Walking into the woods to confront poachers unarmed, is foolish. You really shouldn't give advice on which you no nothing about.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
OMG, I can not believe I am having this retarded conversation with you. seriously? your argument is that your some super paint ball assasin who does nothing but head shots is idiotic. please dood, don't talk about things you haven't a clue.


gunfights don't go down like they do on TV. the fact you could come up and ambush someone has little weight when discussing this topic. just because what you can do on your call of duty black ops game, does not mean it translates into real life.


You take one scenario, and think it applies to all, especially the one I put forth. idiotic and nonsensical.





Ignorance is bliss.....


Walking into the woods to confront poachers unarmed, is foolish. You really shouldn't give advice on which you no nothing about.
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No, you're not following the argument at all, making it stupid. The is nothing super about simply planning. If you know someone is a threat, and plan to take them out. You plan and do so. A gun won't save you. You miss the point, completely.

And I have enought knowledge thank you. ;)
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
OMG, I can not believe I am having this retarded conversation with you. seriously? your argument is that your some super paint ball assasin who does nothing but head shots is idiotic. please dood, don't talk about things you haven't a clue.


gunfights don't go down like they do on TV. the fact you could come up and ambush someone has little weight when discussing this topic. just because what you can do on your call of duty black ops game, does not mean it translates into real life.


You take one scenario, and think it applies to all, especially the one I put forth. idiotic and nonsensical.





Ignorance is bliss.....


Walking into the woods to confront poachers unarmed, is foolish. You really shouldn't give advice on which you no nothing about.
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Do consider that he is but one of a large movement.

I presume it would be the liberal party.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, you're not following the argument at all, making it stupid. The is nothing super about simply planning. If you know someone is a threat, and plan to take them out. You plan and do so. A gun won't save you. You miss the point, completely.

And I have enought knowledge thank you. ;)
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I almost feel like laughing. "Take them out."

I tend to think a gun is more effective than, what say, "headshots."

A gun will save you if you get the criminals to back off.

Seriously, why don't you understand this?
 
Boo Radley said:
No, you're not following the argument at all, making it stupid. The is nothing super about simply planning. If you know someone is a threat, and plan to take them out. You plan and do so. A gun won't save you. You miss the point, completely.
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Awesome, so if you want to kill someone it's easy. Thanks man, riveting...


Now how does that tranlsate tracking down poachers, with nothing more than a smile?



And I have enought knowledge thank you. ;)
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Enough to get you killed. :shrug:
 
Wake said:
I appreciate the fact that you appear to be speaking for everyone.

Either that or you've proven to be quite an entertainer in your latest posts.

Sincerely, do you know of any alternative besides a gun that can deter criminals? A knife, sword, or spoon? While that might be helpful, I would bet the criminal would be armed.
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Criminals can be detered in any number of ways. The best way is to not look like a victim, and you can do that without a gun. You can do it with one as well, but a gun is not neccessary to protect yourself.

However, my point to the good rev is a simple one. If someone wanted to take him out, and planend at all, he could not stop it. No one could. They would have to rely on the incompetence of the attacker or some serious luck. A gun would make much less difference.

We romanticize guns too much in this country, giving them godly power they don't have.
 
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