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White House to Push Gun Control

Le Marteau said:
Alright, so, do you have any response to the link I posted, or are you just going to agree with me that you've said what might amount to the Stupidest Claim of the Year?
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The hyperpluralization of the word "castrati" in the post you reference is particularly ironic.
 
Boo Radley said:
Prisons are a growth industry. It's about jobs. :roll:
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Putting violent criminals behind bars has succeeded in reducing our violent crime rates. What would you recommend that we do with offenders who pose a threat to society?
 
Le Marteau said:
It was an honest question, and I was expecting an honest answer. Which I suppose was pretty silly of me, yeah, because all I ever get from the rest of the neocon teabagging tools is denial and ignorance, like in your response to my five points.

I think I can sum up your argument a bit more succinctly than you did:


"YOU COMMIE EUROPEANERS HATE MAH FREEDOM!"






On a totally random note, you might find this interesting:

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This is the best you can do in response to Goshin's thoughtful and well-sourced post? FAIL.
 
pro-bipartisan said:
I guess my point is that I'm surprised gun laws are so lenient that you can shoot a flamethrower in a city.
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First you said grenade launcher... make up your mind.

Haven't seen the show. I'd assume they either got special permission or maybe just made sure they didn't get caught. I'm reasonably sure most LE in most cities would take a dim view of grenade launchers OR flamethrowers being played with in city limits.

Now if you want to come out to my place, we can shoot the grenades into my pond and have a fish-fry afterward... if you overshoot and take out one of the neighbor's cows though, you'll have to pay for it. :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
First you said grenade launcher... make up your mind.

Haven't seen the show. I'd assume they either got special permission or maybe just made sure they didn't get caught. I'm reasonably sure most LE in most cities would take a dim view of grenade launchers OR flamethrowers being played with in city limits.

Now if you want to come out to my place, we can shoot the grenades into my pond and have a fish-fry afterward... if you overshoot and take out one of the neighbor's cows though, you'll have to pay for it. :mrgreen:
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Sorry, it was grenade launcher, they just showed a preview of them making a flamethrower and trying that out in the next episode so that's stuck in my mind too. Anyway, it's a great show, you can ask them to make any type of gun and they do it.
 
As i have always said stick to the truth and the facts because Liberals can't deal with it.

When Citizens are free to carry concealed weapons crime rated drop precipitously and when guns are taken away the crime rate jumps as it did in Australia.

Crime up Down Under

One armed citizen who was trained as I have been could have stopped the Tucson shooter dead in his tracks after the first shot.

The only thing you must be sure to do if you do take out the bad guy is lay you weapon on the ground and make no sudden moves until police arrive so you don't get taken out by another armed citizen.

Obama and his minions want us unarmed and stupid so he can put his Black Theology agenda into play without fear of what is going on in say the Middle East where they are not happy.

Of course most of those riots are promoted by the Islamic Cult leaders who rely on Bovine Scatology to push dumb-asses into a so-called religion that is no more real than Kwanza.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Putting violent criminals behind bars has succeeded in reducing our violent crime rates. What would you recommend that we do with offenders who pose a threat to society?
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shoot them?
 
pro-bipartisan said:
Sorry, it was grenade launcher, they just showed a preview of them making a flamethrower and trying that out in the next episode so that's stuck in my mind too. Anyway, it's a great show, you can ask them to make any type of gun and they do it.
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what is your point-any harmful thing you do with such a device not only will get you serious time you will also get additional prison time for using "dangerous ordnance" or "weapons of mass destruction" to perpetrate the crime
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Putting violent criminals behind bars has succeeded in reducing our violent crime rates. What would you recommend that we do with offenders who pose a threat to society?
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He probably believes in the idiotic notion that all criminals behind bars are in prison for drug crimes and prostitution or that police run around arresting black people for bogus crimes.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what is your point-any harmful thing you do with such a device not only will get you serious time you will also get additional prison time for using "dangerous ordnance" or "weapons of mass destruction" to perpetrate the crime
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My point is they didn't go to jail, but as someone who posted after you suggested they may have gotten special permission for TV.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Putting violent criminals behind bars has succeeded in reducing our violent crime rates. What would you recommend that we do with offenders who pose a threat to society?
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Has it? I would love to see any evidence of that. We're a fairly violent country. We're not roiting in the streets on a regular basis, but we hold our own.

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2009

Violence in the United States


You'll have a hard time proving prison growth is the reason for any drop. To most, the reasons are unclear.
 
Boo Radley said:
I have no trouble with Cato, but do you see them as perfect? Nothing to debate in what they say?
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I find them greatly superior to posting links to overall crime stats (our population size means that our crimes overall will ALWAYS be higher than the number of crimes in many other countries). You should look at crimes per person, not overall crime statistics if you want to make comparisons.

;)
 
Boo Radley said:
I have no trouble with Cato, but do you see them as perfect? Nothing to debate in what they say?

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
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Catz Part Deux said:
I find them greatly superior to posting links to overall crime stats (our population size means that our crimes overall will ALWAYS be higher than the number of crimes in many other countries). You should look at crimes per person, not overall crime statistics if you want to make comparisons.

;)
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It's also important to read definitions and notes found at the bottom of crime statistics information:

DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
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Tucker Case said:
It's also important to read definitions and notes found at the bottom of crime statistics information:
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Read. Doesn't change what I'm saying. We commit a lot of crime and put a lot of people in jail.
 
Boo Radley said:
Read. Doesn't change what I'm saying. We commit a lot of crime and put a lot of people in jail.
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Our crime rates have dropped significantly and are at something like a 40 year low. This has occurred with a significant increase in the reporting of rapes over that same time span. I'm not going to conjecture on what the cause (or causes) of these declines could be, but it's definitely true that crime in the US has been on the decline since it's peak in the early 90's.
 
Tucker Case said:
Our crime rates have dropped significantly and are at something like a 40 year low. This has occurred with a significant increase in the reporting of rapes over that same time span. I'm not going to conjecture on what the cause (or causes) of these declines could be, but it's definitely true that crime in the US has been on the decline since it's peak in the early 90's.
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I've heard people argue that it is an effect of Roe vs Wade. They point to statistics that show unwanted babies are more likely to commit a crime or serve prison time as adults. Hence, less unwanted babies equal less criminals. I don't agree with that argument myself, but it is interesting.
 
Good it will seal his fate. This issue will cost him his job.


Note. In jersey i lost my firearms id card... While getting a new one i had to consent of a release of my mental records, etc.


Even this would not have stopped the az shooter.
 
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