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White House to Push Gun Control

I already went through this with character references but since you ignored it I won't waste my time repeating it.

I didn't ignore it. I didn't see it. If I had, I would definitely commented, because character references are even more useless. Who qualifies as a character reference? My Mom?

How about a congress critter? oh, wait a person's congress critter is a big time anti-gunner. No one will get a reference from him. Or, a congress critter decides that the references are going to come with a fee of a gazillion dollars.

No, references are even more idiotic and uselss than that shrink evals.
 
As to your argument of incrementalism, this is a tired and rather juvenile NRA position.... if we give one inch, they will take everything. That approach is unreasonable at every level. Some things require fixing, and to fix those things more often results in fortifying one's position, not weakening it.


And don't forget the NRA has to insure the income that makes it's office holders fat and sassy keeps coming in. It's so trite the national organizations that lose site of their missions, dupe their members, get fat salaries, and their first priority is perpetuating the organization at all costs. If people would only look at how much their donations go into "administrative costs" they would be outraged. Funny I did a cursory look for admin costs of the NRA and couldn't find them. That's a red flag folks.

It's a valid argument. Looks what's going on, right now. There are already laws on the books and the anti-gunners want even more laws put into place. The gun control folks aren't going to end, until there's an all out ban and a nationwide confiscation.
 
And don't forget the NRA has to insure the income that makes it's office holders fat and sassy keeps coming in. It's so trite the national organizations that lose site of their missions, dupe their members, get fat salaries, and their first priority is perpetuating the organization at all costs. If people would only look at how much their donations go into "administrative costs" they would be outraged. Funny I did a cursory look for admin costs of the NRA and couldn't find them. That's a red flag folks.

This is part of why I canceled my NRA membership, and joined the GOA (Gun Owners of America). The NRA has become a bloated self-serving bureaucracy. That reflects on the organization's recent leadership, though, not it's cause.
 
Okay, now I'm bored. Off to watch a Dire Straits concert on Youtube. :mrgreen:

Mucho gusto, compadres.
 
The White House should support Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s bill outlawing the sale or transfer of clips that hold more than ten rounds, even those obtained before the law takes effect. It's the very least we can do in the face of the Tucson Massacre.

So when the next killer has two or three guns or clips, will you outlaw owning more then one gun, or one clip?

Stupid idea that appeals to emotion, not reason.
 
Hey, here's an idea, how about we not let one nut case change our country.

Why on Earth not? If it's a legitimate point that this whole fiasco brings up, why not allow a single event to change your nation? That's the problem -- conservatives are, inherently, afraid of change.
 
Why on Earth not? If it's a legitimate point that this whole fiasco brings up, why not allow a single event to change your nation? That's the problem -- conservatives are, inherently, afraid of change.

liberals want change for the sake of change no matter how it F's up the country.

gun banners are essentially a fungus in this country and want to make the nation safer for criminals so the sheeple will agree to give the government more power so as to get more "safety"

any politician who doesn't trust his employers to own the same guns that are used to protect that politician is probably someone that is not worthy of office and indeed might be in need of having his tenure "terminated"
 
Oh I don't know... maybe it's because we are so lax in this country and we have the highest murder rate in the world with guns that are as common as candy? Just a thought.

why do gun haters spew such blatant lies?
 
Why on Earth not? If it's a legitimate point that this whole fiasco brings up, why not allow a single event to change your nation? That's the problem -- conservatives are, inherently, afraid of change.

What? What good will gun laws do? What happens if they fail? Another round of gun laws?
 
So every time someone commits a crime with a gun you want to infringe my on 2nd Amendment rights?


you have it backwards-he always wants to infringe on your second amendment rights-he just uses acts of terror to spew such thoughts
 
Then you support restrictions on sexual activity between consenting adults, because we don't let minors under a certain age have sex? :mrgreen:

Guy doesn't know what he really wants-but if you post something he will post something in opposition-its called being a "contrarian"

the only logic to his opposition is that its opposition
 
I thought you were an attorney, and thus a student of precision in language. Kindly tell me where in my post that I said I was a gun banner. I am not. I merely stated that everyone is in favor of some form of gun control, we just argue about where to draw the line. Jumping to conclusions is not very attorney like. You must have spent time as a prosecutor, they tend to do that.

The idea of banning the clips is not new. I was part of the Federal Assault Weapon ban of 1994, which was allowed to expire. Now, even Dick Cheney, one of the most staunch gun advocates in America, suggests that a ban on the size of a magazine is reasonable. Given that sanction, it is unreasonable for you to think I am a gun banner, unless you think Dick is one as well.

Dick Cheney | Gun Control | Video | Mediaite

Now, I will accept one of your corrections. I said that had the magazine ban existed he would not have been able to get one. You are correct that banning something does not prevent possession. I misspoke and should have been more precise in my assertion. The correct assertion should have been that with the ban, it would have been far more difficult to get the extended magazine. After all if, to use your illustration, its more difficult (and dangerous) to get cocaine (which is illegal) than beer (which is no longer illegal). Given that he made a retail purchase of his gun and ammo, it is unlikely he would have had the extended clip, or more precisely, it is certainly less likely.

As to your argument of incrementalism, this is a tired and rather juvenile NRA position.... if we give one inch, they will take everything. That approach is unreasonable at every level. Some things require fixing, and to fix those things more often results in fortifying one's position, not weakening it.

your support of gun rights is admirable. Since every gun ban organization believes in an incremental approach any such incremental action is bad. And its juvenile to restrict honest people when someone commits capital murder with a gun. If the needle doesn't deter them a gun ban will not

Anything civilian cops can use I should be able to own
 
What? What good will gun laws do? What happens if they fail? Another round of gun laws?

that of course is the intent-pass laws that only harass honest people and when criminals disobey them (along with the substantive laws)use that as an excuse to harass us some more
 
Most of the mass shootings in the last few years including Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University, Arizona shootings, and now this were all guns bought legally by people with mental issues.

Mom kills her two Teens



...NEW TAMPA, Fla. - Tampa Police have arrested a New Tampa mother after they say she shot her two teenage children to death Thursday night.

Investigators say Julie Powers Schenecker, 50, shot and killed her children with a .38 caliber gun in their home...

...After being read her miranda rights, police say Schenecker admitted to purchasing the revolver last weekend, and said she planned to murder her children and then kill herself...


Police say New Tampa mom shot her teen children to death

We keep hearing the argument about tightening laws and people can still get guns but I keep seeing mentally ill people buying guns legally as easy as getting a license plate at the local license bureau. WTF is wrong with us? Why would we make it easy for nut jobs to buy lethal weapons?
Ok so today a mentally ill person can purchase a gun and kill someone. So lets make it illegal for them to buy it, and let them get it from someone/somewhere else (and don't tell me they couldn't access one because they could). Basically you just lose profit toward the company selling the gun, you're not going to save a life.
 
Guns kill people no more than spoons make people fat. I agree we need to make sure mentally unstable people and violent offenders do not get guns but not at the expence of the second amend.
 
why do gun haters spew such blatant lies?

They're not lies, and we're not gun haters. I served in the military for eleven years of my life, I've no problem with guns. I have a problem with unrestricted or lax gun sales laws. The US has the highest gun crime rate of any nation on Earth -- annually, there are 11,000 shootings in the US. Think of that. In France, there are 345. In Germany, 412. In the UK, 68.

If you don't see the correlation between gun sales and gun crime, you're either blind or in denial.
 
They're not lies, and we're not gun haters. I served in the military for eleven years of my life, I've no problem with guns. I have a problem with unrestricted or lax gun sales laws. The US has the highest gun crime rate of any nation on Earth -- annually, there are 11,000 shootings in the US. Think of that. In France, there are 345. In Germany, 412. In the UK, 68.

If you don't see the correlation between gun sales and gun crime, you're either blind or in denial.

The UK has a far higher violent crime rate then the USA. Why is that? Could it be the Citizens of the UK are unable to defend themselves?
 
The argument that somone killed someone with a gun so we should ban all guns makes no sense. Using that logic we should go after cars first. They kill more people in a day than guns do in a year.
 
They're not lies, and we're not gun haters. I served in the military for eleven years of my life, I've no problem with guns. I have a problem with unrestricted or lax gun sales laws. The US has the highest gun crime rate of any nation on Earth -- annually, there are 11,000 shootings in the US. Think of that. In France, there are 345. In Germany, 412. In the UK, 68.

If you don't see the correlation between gun sales and gun crime, you're either blind or in denial.

1) I have problems with non citizens whining about our freedom
2) your silly nonsense that a gun law is going to change the crime rate is contradicted by facts
3) why has English rates of violent crime increased as they have banned guns while our rates have decreased as we have increased gun ownership
4) If you factor out gun crime perpetrated by inner city black drug abusers, our gun rate crime is lower than whites in Europe and England. IN other words, a minority skews the statistics.

5) you prove you are completely clueless about America when you void crap like "unrestricted gun sales"
 
The argument that somone killed someone with a gun so we should ban all guns makes no sense. Using that logic we should go after cars first. They kill more people in a day than guns do in a year.

If the majority of legal car owners were conservatives and patriots believe me the left would be trying to ban them
 
They're not lies, and we're not gun haters. I served in the military for eleven years of my life, I've no problem with guns.

Shooting a fire arm in the military does not qualify you to be a 2nd amendment proponent or a proponent of firearms.
I have a problem with unrestricted or lax gun sales laws.

I think our laws should be loosened up.Anything the government can get its hands on so should any law abiding citizen. My founding forefathers did not like being ruled by some little rich inbreeder from across the ocean and they had a lack of trust in governments, so our constitution reflects this.
 
wow, so many views on gun laws. wouldn't it be amazing if each locality could come up with their own laws and weren't dictated to by a larger bureaucracy.
 
wow, so many views on gun laws. wouldn't it be amazing if each locality could come up with their own laws and weren't dictated to by a larger bureaucracy.

I think people who are anti gun should post gun free zone signs on their doors and front lawns

a town full of them would keep on the criminals out of a village where everyone had an NRA sticker on their window and the gun laws were consistent with what the founders intended
 
They're not lies, and we're not gun haters. I served in the military for eleven years of my life, I've no problem with guns. I have a problem with unrestricted or lax gun sales laws. The US has the highest gun crime rate of any nation on Earth -- annually, there are 11,000 shootings in the US. Think of that. In France, there are 345. In Germany, 412. In the UK, 68.

If you don't see the correlation between gun sales and gun crime, you're either blind or in denial.

Crime rates and gun crime rates are all relative. There isn't any less crime in the UK, because of gun laws. If anything, crime rates go up, after gun laws are enacted.

Let's throw 30 million illegal aliens into France and see what happens to the crime rate.
 
wow, so many views on gun laws. wouldn't it be amazing if each locality could come up with their own laws and weren't dictated to by a larger bureaucracy.

Bearing arms is a universal human right. The government of Illinois has no more right banning citizens from owning and carrying weapons than does the federal government.
 
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