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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are not charged with being in on every operation.
    the attorney general is bottom line responsible for every action that goes on in his doj, as is the president

    why did melson testify to house judiciary on july 4 that holder's dept tried to "limit his communication" with congress

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. They are not charged with being in on every operation. They are held accountable to properly deal with those who make mistakes. If they pull a Bush, and go good job Brownie, that would be incompetent. But you are mistaken that people at the very top know every operation in complete detail. It's an unreasonable expectation.

    They are briefed and know what is happening. Something as big as this they would know about and have to approve

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you own a gun? I could say the same thing about gay marriage-I am not gay and gay marriage has absolutely no relevance to my life.

    same with abortion-my wife is too old to have any more kids so its not an issue that affects us either
    I don't think restrictions on who can own a gun, based on capacity and/or a violent history, and/or restrictions on the type of guns you can buy, are the same as restrictions on who you can marry or whether you can be forced to bear a child. The right to bear arms was undoubtedly fundamental in the days of Red Coats and Indians and when you had to shoot your own pheasant for dinner. Today, it is probably the only explicit constitutional right that would be really difficult to defend as fundamental. The only argument it has going for it is tradition . . . much like the opposite-sex requirement of marriage.

    Also, just because I do not own a gun does not mean the issue doesn't affect me. A lunatic with a gun can affect me on a far more serious level than seeing two men kissing on the street.

    And as a side note, I always thought that abortion argument was pretty stupid. I may not be a woman, but all of us were once fetuses.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are briefed and know what is happening. Something as big as this they would know about and have to approve
    You have to prove that, not just assume it. That's why i say it is you who are letting your partisan side get the better of you. Prove the briefing, that they were completely inform, and you may have a point. Without that proof, you're just a partisan wanting to believe something.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so I asked if banning some religions was not a violation of the relevant amendment.

    Banning one is a violation, banning them all is a violation
    comparing religions to guns, is very silly.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    you're just a partisan wanting to believe something
    and you are just a...

    WHO is mister melson, that's the question that matters

    why did the sitting atf, appointed by obama, testify in the house that doj wanted to limit his communication?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I don't think restrictions on who can own a gun, based on capacity and/or a violent history, and/or restrictions on the type of guns you can buy, are the same as restrictions on who you can marry or whether you can be forced to bear a child. The right to bear arms was undoubtedly fundamental in the days of Red Coats and Indians and when you had to shoot your own pheasant for dinner. Today, it is probably the only explicit constitutional right that would be really difficult to defend as fundamental. The only argument it has going for it is tradition . . . much like the opposite-sex requirement of marriage.

    Also, just because I do not own a gun does not mean the issue doesn't affect me. A lunatic with a gun can affect me on a far more serious level than seeing two men kissing on the street.

    And as a side note, I always thought that abortion argument was pretty stupid. I may not be a woman, but all of us were once fetuses.

    its illegal to own a gun if you are a lunatic

    but I think you missed the point-

    you don't find guns to be useful to you and you claimed that discussions on gun control issues don't really matter now

    my point was your view seemed to be colored by the fact that the right is not one you find important just as I could argue that there should be no emphasis about rights I don't find useful to me

    but you did hint that you think gun rights should be restricted and are not as important as "other rights" so that is the answer I expected



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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    comparing religions to guns, is very silly.
    only to those whose arguments are specious when it comes to partial versus total elimination of constitutional rights



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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I don't think restrictions on who can own a gun, based on capacity and/or a violent history, and/or restrictions on the type of guns you can buy, are the same as restrictions on who you can marry or whether you can be forced to bear a child. The right to bear arms was undoubtedly fundamental in the days of Red Coats and Indians and when you had to shoot your own pheasant for dinner. Today, it is probably the only explicit constitutional right that would be really difficult to defend as fundamental. The only argument it has going for it is tradition . . . much like the opposite-sex requirement of marriage.

    Also, just because I do not own a gun does not mean the issue doesn't affect me. A lunatic with a gun can affect me on a far more serious level than seeing two men kissing on the street.

    And as a side note, I always thought that abortion argument was pretty stupid. I may not be a woman, but all of us were once fetuses.
    Then again a person like me with a concealed weapon license may save your life.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then again a person like me with a concealed weapon license may save your life.
    Or take it, as we're statisitcally more likely to shoot ourselves or someone close to us.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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