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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm not sure the bolded part is factual, but I'd be careful with this approach. Don't give them your meth.
    Of course not, just shrooms. And according to stats, drug crime is the major driving force behind violent crime. I could look it up if you like, I just heard that on television the other night.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yeah. A person has the right of free speech in this country.
    What the hell has this to do with anything?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    We had a problem in the past with involuntary admission to the mental wards. We must not go back to that.
    If it's done correctly - an involuntary evaluation seems appropriate. Even if the hospital cannot hold the person there - the person is flagged and cannot purchase a firearm. That sounds like common sense legislation to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Let's not go stupid because of a mass murder. They happen quite frequently and are seldom carried out by the certifiably insane. Just ban the 30 round clips and be done with it. That will at least make the shooter purchase 3 Glock 40s.
    Your solution of banning inanimate objects is a solution? So instead of mentally unstable people killing 5, killing just 2 is acceptable, while you poo-poo the solution which would have saved all of the people in AZ from dying.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Gun laws only affect people who follow laws. Having said that, I am completely in favor of law enforcement strategies designed to get guns out of the hands of criminals.

    By that, I mean more searches by law enforcement officers of suspected criminals based upon probable cause. Shake the right tree, and apples will fall out. Somehow, though, liberals never seem to be in favor of these kinds of approaches. They prefer to take the IRS approach: Go after the people who actually bother to try to follow the law.
    I know i'm going to get slammed for saying this, but I personally believe that gun ownership should be a privilege and is not a natural or human right. And I believe that upholding the professed right to gunownership just isn't worth the cost to society. That being said, it is just my personal opinion and I don't believe in taking away anyone's guns.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course not, just shrooms. And according to stats, drug crime is the major driving force behind violent crime. I could look it up if you like, I just heard that on television the other night.
    Maybe in Mexico, but not in the U.S. FWIW, our stats aren't collected like that federally, so I'd be interested to see what sort of research basis that claim had. Violent crime is driven by different factors in different cities and in specific high-crime neighborhoods. Criminals tend to be opportunistic, so drugs become a factor if there is availability of drugs, but there are other factors that can be just as significant.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What the hell has this to do with anything?
    It address you're concern that he would still be in his parents house, complaining about the government. You're allowed to do that ... just so you know. That you knew, was not apparent.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Maybe in Mexico, but not in the U.S. FWIW, our stats aren't collected like that federally, so I'd be interested to see what sort of research basis that claim had. Violent crime is driven by different factors in different cities and in specific high-crime neighborhoods. Criminals tend to be opportunistic, so drugs become a factor if there is availability of drugs, but there are other factors that can be just as significant.
    So the gangs you worked with were not slinging drugs?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It address you're concern that he would still be in his parents house, complaining about the government. You're allowed to do that ... just so you know. That you knew, was not apparent.
    The point you missed was that if he had been unable to buy a guy, he would still be in his parents house ranting about the government and masterbaiting to guns and ammo glock centerfolds.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    The issue will continue to be stirred up regardless. I think a lot of the fear people have is unnecessary, though. There are far too many powerful people who are pro-gun. Not to mention the fact that this will never make it past the senate. I honestly don't know why Obama is even bothering with it.
    You mean the House. Democrats still have a majority in the Senate

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I know i'm going to get slammed for saying this, but I personally believe that gun ownership should be a privilege and is not a natural or human right. And I believe that upholding the professed right to gunownership just isn't worth the cost to society. That being said, it is just my personal opinion and I don't believe in taking away anyone's guns.
    It's an opinion, and you have every right to it.

    I don't own a gun. I don't feel a need for it. I own a pit bull and a baseball bat. I don't believe that I will ever need to use a gun in self defense, but when I was doing a more dangerous job than I do now, I felt it would be hypocritical for me to carry a gun for self protection and then tell my clients that they couldn't. At this point, there are maybe a couple of seconds every five years where I wish I owned a gun (like the last time a rattlesnake was on my deck). Not sufficient to warrant the risk when I have kids. I have a close friend whose daughter shot herself in the head with his service revolver (he's a cop). I also had two friends in high school who suicided using their parents' weapons. Having a gun in the home increases the risk of a child using it to commit an act of violence against himself.

    However, I also don't believe that gun laws are an effective way to reduce violent crime. The average law-abiding gun owner isn't committing violent crimes, and the average criminal doesn't care what the law says.

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