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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How so? Doesn't the second amendment say well regulated?
    In order for a well-regulated militia to exist, private citizens need to have the freedom to own military weapons.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    In order for a well-regulated militia to exist, private citizens need to have the freedom to own military weapons.
    That is one way to look at it, if we were actually looking at like or forefathers did. But that isn't really the case today. Believe it or not, times do change. However, the point is, guns can be regulated and not violate the second amendment.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A well regulated militia.
    Yes, the reason for people having the right to bear arms. But those words allow for regulation.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, the reason for people having the right to bear arms. But those words allow for regulation.

    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.



    Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

    Seriously, WRONG. /facepalm
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However, the point is, guns can be regulated and not violate the second amendment.
    Yes, but not if those regulations prevent civilians from upholding their duty as the militia-- as is the case today.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Is your google broken?


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    that's two links I've given you. Perhaps you'll read this one before opening your mouth.
    Your first link told me very little. Actually, next to nothing. The second gives more, and seems to suggest the judge was at fault and not the law. He met the exemption, but the judge didn't allow the testimoney. This too is a different problem.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Yes, but not if those regulations prevent civilians from upholding their duty as the militia-- as is the case today.
    There is no militia today, so effectively moot.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is no militia today, so effectively moot.
    There is a militia as long as there are free citizens. Whether or not that militia is particularly effective is up for debate, but if it is not, the blame for it can be laid directly at the feet of the people who have been lax in their preparations-- and the political class which has deprived them of much of their ability to do so.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How so? Doesn't the second amendment say well regulated?
    Notice it says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, ". It does not say "A well regulated the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". A well regulated mailitia and the right of the people to keep and bear arms are two separate rights. Just like freedom speech, Free press,religion, peaceful assemblies or petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances are all separate of each other.
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