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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you even missed that point. I would be satisfied if you just offered something on content.

    Hmmmm....Something on content. Here:

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    But in the next two weeks, the White House will unveil a new gun-control effort in which it will urge Congress to strengthen current laws
    The WH looking to strengthen current laws, however it doesn't say in what way, or what will be offered.

    So now I ask you Boo, how is our conversation brought about by your defense of point, anywhere near on topic if this above is the OP?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I did, you did the boo radley shuffle... i can tell your getting irked again, perhaps stick to the topic and not me..... wouldn't want you to have a coronary.
    You are tiresome. But, know, you haven't. Like I siad, you misunderstand much, go off in the wrong directions and then resort to personal attacks. So, while I'll play with you some, it gorws old fast.

    Moving on. . . .

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are tiresome. But, know, you haven't. Like I siad, you misunderstand much, go off in the wrong directions and then resort to personal attacks. So, while I'll play with you some, it gorws old fast.

    Moving on. . . .

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmm....Something on content. Here:

    From the OP:



    The WH looking to strengthen current laws, however it doesn't say in what way, or what will be offered.

    So now I ask you Boo, how is our conversation brought about by your defense of point, anywhere near on topic if this above is the OP?

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    Threads often move away from the original op, and this is no exception. we're some 590 posts down the road here. Someone says something interesting and someone builds off that. it's not unusual. And sometimes, people like yourself assume something not stated and run up a ton of posts arguing your own strawmen.

    As for Obama, until there are details, not much to say on it. We'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Threads often move away from the original op, and this is no exception. we're some 590 posts down the road here. Someone says something interesting and someone builds off that. it's not unusual. And sometimes, people like yourself assume something not stated and run up a ton of posts arguing your own strawmen.

    As for Obama, until there are details, not much to say on it. We'll have to wait and see.

    Well, on the wait and see part I agree. however, on the building up your own post count based on straw arguments, I'd say there is slightly more than a little projection going on with you sir.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, on the wait and see part I agree. however, on the building up your own post count based on straw arguments, I'd say there is slightly more than a little projection going on with you sir.


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    Yeah, on your part. I have no interest in count. And the strawmen are on your part. You keep battling those evil liberals, whoever they are.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would be satisfied if you just offered something on content.
    you mean whether guns ARE or ARE NOT magical?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, they didn't. They did not measure accidental shootings, or peopel shooting family memebers and friends, with those who protect themselves. They showed other accidents, and compared them with shooting accidents. And then showed an opinion survey. But did not answer my claim at all.
    Actually it did. A government study, the NCVS, showed a minimum of 68,000 DGU's. The NCVS was not intended to measure DGU's however, and it's findings are probably low. Another gov't study I once read said 100,000 per year, but was only recording reported incidents where shots were fired. Kleck's study suggests that most often, no shots are fired and no reports are filed.

    The truth probably exists somewhere between the low-ball estimates of 68,000-100,000 and the high estimate of 2.5 million.

    Even the lowball estimates vastly exceed the ~30,000 gun deaths annually, and when you consider that half of those are suicides, and that studies have shown suicides to turn to other equally drastic methods when guns are not available, then you have your answer.

    Guns are used defensively more often than in murder or accidental homicide.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually it did. A government study, the NCVS, showed a minimum of 68,000 DGU's. The NCVS was not intended to measure DGU's however, and it's findings are probably low. Another gov't study I once read said 100,000 per year, but was only recording reported incidents where shots were fired. Kleck's study suggests that most often, no shots are fired and no reports are filed.

    The truth probably exists somewhere between the low-ball estimates of 68,000-100,000 and the high estimate of 2.5 million.

    Even the lowball estimates vastly exceed the ~30,000 gun deaths annually, and when you consider that half of those are suicides, and that studies have shown suicides to turn to other equally drastic methods when guns are not available, then you have your answer.

    Guns are used defensively more often than in murder or accidental homicide.
    Actually no, that has not been proven. The number given so far don't supoport it. and we have to have objective documented proof of how many don't end in shooting, personal reporting is too easily skewed.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually no, that has not been proven. The number given so far don't supoport it. and we have to have objective documented proof of how many don't end in shooting, personal reporting is too easily skewed.

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    So you're arguing that 68,000 (the lowest lowball figure, from a government study), is a SMALLER number than 30,000?

    Must be that new math.

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