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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    actually, there are 250 million guns owned by private individuals.


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    Thanks, typo, it should have read 300 million.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Big deal! Your own article from a source clearly against gun ownership in the home, is that there are some 34,000 deaths from suicide. You are saying that 83% of these is from self inflicted gunshot. that would be approximately 28,000 of them. Now lets put away the fact that this sources own numbers are questionable because they also say that Alcoholism is responsible in 30% of suicides, 83, and 30 equals 113%, you can't achieve more than 100%, but anyway, I showed that there are some 3 million guns owned legally in the US, of that approximately 500,000 were used to thwart a crime of some sort, and the accidental rates were around 16,000 of that.

    Now, take your 28,000, and add it to 16,000 and you get 44,000 out of 500,000 that equals about 8.8%, so how do you arrive at your absurd statement that "All it has to be is more than those documented killed in self protection. Accidents (including shooting the wrong person) and sucides are more." This is simply wrong.


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    You have no documented objective evidence on the 500,000. Sorry, but people saying they did is not equal to objective proof they did. You're also reading the numbers wrong. Just saying.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Misery. Son commits sucide with yoru gun. Misery.

    Your son? I'm sorry to hear that. But I must say, your sun committed suicide, the gun did not commit suicide upon him.






    Yes, guns are dangerous, and not a warm fuzzy. All the sentences work together to make the one point.


    who ever claimed otherwise. You accuse us of jumping on things not said, and here you are....
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    j, these are the nunmbers we're working with:


    its already established there are between 700-1300 accidental shootings a year.



    "there are about 7700 to 18500 reported legal shootings of criminals a year"

    Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.

    Now 44,000 is more than 18500. And by a wide margin as well.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Your son? I'm sorry to hear that. But I must say, your sun committed suicide, the gun did not commit suicide upon him.







    who ever claimed otherwise. You accuse us of jumping on things not said, and here you are....
    I think you know my soin didn't. But moving on. He still used the gun. Just as the gun didn't shoot the criminal. The person did. If you can't use gun statisitics on suicide you can't use them for protection either.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    j, these are the nunmbers we're working with:


    its already established there are between 700-1300 accidental shootings a year.



    "there are about 7700 to 18500 reported legal shootings of criminals a year"

    Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.

    Now 44,000 is more than 18500. And by a wide margin as well.

    However, what you fail to recognize is that overall gun ownership is safer than riding your bike.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you know my soin didn't.
    Actually no I thought you just claimed he did, that would explain your hoplophobia.....


    But moving on. He still used the gun.

    Who's "he"?

    Just as the gun didn't shoot the criminal. The person did. If you can't use gun statisitics on suicide you can't use them for protection either.


    nonsense. one is a choice to do harm to oneself, the other, is an active response to someone elses choice to do harm to you. =/=
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, what you fail to recognize is that overall gun ownership is safer than riding your bike.

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    Nor is he recognizing the number of times a gun is successfullly used for self defense without ever firing a shot. He's playing a dishonest numbers game.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Actually no I thought you just claimed he did, that would explain your hoplophobia.....





    Who's "he"?





    nonsense. one is a choice to do harm to oneself, the other, is an active response to someone elses choice to do harm to you. =/=
    hypothethical he.

    And both are active choices. You don't shoot anyone in an inactive manner.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, what you fail to recognize is that overall gun ownership is safer than riding your bike.

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    Why would that amtter to me. I have no idea if that is true, because maybe more people own bikes than guns and I don't know what other factors are involved. but it has nothing to do with anything I've argued.

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