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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Boo, I've been around the block a few (dozen) times. Been in more armed confrontations than I can easily count. Defended myself both with and without weapons.

    Self-protection is 90% mindset, awareness, social skills, security precautions, street-smarts, and common sense, yes. With those, you can avoid most situations involving dangerous criminals. Some people can go all their lives without a violent encounter, with that a some luck.

    Luck only goes so far, though, and not all of us wish to depend on it.

    Hand-to-hand fighting skills are very useful. I spent most of my youth cultivating same and still try to maintain my skills. However, there are times and circumstances when they are not adequate.

    Yes, almost anyone can be assasinated, and defending against assasination is properly the job of a well-trained team of at least 7 professional bodyguards. However, most criminal confrontations are not in the form of an assassination... that's actually relatively rare.

    No, guns are not magic. However, they are useful tools when properly employed, and when you need one, you tend to need one really badly. When that rare occasion does arise, you prefer to be more heavily armed, rather than minimally armed.
    You're first paragraph is exact right. Those things mean much more than a weapon. And I agree that a weapon is a tool, and sometimes a useful one. Just not magic. If you have none of the things in the first paragraph, a gun won't help you much. And all the weapon you need is that which is required. A tank or a nuke may be be the weapon of choice in most self protectin cases. neither is an AK47. You don't hunt with an M16 either. Just as with any job, you use the proper tool for the job. Didn't Tim the Toll man teach us anything.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

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    At 350 lbs? Maybe you Fought your way to a buffet table.

    No good for you losing all that weight. What a hard fight it must have been.
    Yes, at 350. I moved well for a big man. Few actually believed I weighted that much.



    If pointin out your dishonesty and laughing at your hoplophobic chicken little dance is trolling. Why then are numerous poster refering to your behavior in this thread as trolling?
    Tell yourself what you must.




    i do, you ignored it or lied about it. Typical.
    Same as above. tell yourself what you must.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Mornin' Joe.....Still waiting for a response to this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059270883

    Whenever you get a chance thanks.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Means nothing to what I said. Why dio you guys ignore what was said and argue something not disputed? These type of strawmen make little sense to me.



    A 1993 Gallup Poll study (hardly a conservative partisan group) found a likely annual rate of defensive gun use (DGU) of 777,153 per year in the US.
    An LA Times 1994 study found an implied national DGU of 3,609,682.
    While a highly suspect set of data, as it asks for oral reports, subjective at best, and not objective data, the fact remains, it doesn't address what I claimed.

    The Kleck study concluded that there were possibly as many as 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year, many of which involved no shots fired or no one injured, and many of which were not reported:
    See above and add: Possibly? Maybe? could be? We guess?

    These Wikipedia articles are good sources of general information on concealed-carry permits and related issues.
    They include information from both pro and anti perspectives.

    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Have no problem with Wiki for this, but again, deals with nothing I have claimed. Nor is it anything I dispute.

    More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    John Lott's study is not without controversy, but despite nit-picking about techincal proceedures remains siginficant:
    Nit picking is usually important because a small erroro can lead to very wrong conclusion. And if notice, your link shows a lot of evidence to the contrary. Yet you CHOOSE to accept the one I suspect that you want to be true.

    Studies AgainstAcademic studies that have rejected Lott's conclusions include the following. With the exception of the 2003 study by John J. Donohue, these studies generally contend that there seems to be little or no effect on crime from the passage of license-to-carry laws. Donohue's 2003 study finds an increase in violence.

    From an excellent summary page:
    Define violent crime? Spouse abuse? Shot by your husband, wife, friend? Again, nothing to anything I've claimed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

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    No silliness here, just a question you fail to answer, why?
    Becuase it is just silliness j. If you ahve a point make it. If not, play something else.


    Courts don't make law.
    Right, they don't. Never said they did. But they do rule on law, and have upheld, repeatedly, the right to regulate.


    Mostly from shock and dismay.
    But you respond all the same, and too often, incoherently.

    More like fear brought about by propaganda like what you are attempting here.


    Do you even know what I've argued?
    Prove it.
    Prove what I think? Let me use some logic for you. Would you say people are better trained with hand guns today than in past? I doubt any evidence woudl support that, espeically in innner cities.

    And what do you see that as?
    Because they see weapons used much more violently than people and rural areas see. And they see how easily armed people get killed. It isn't weapons that make you safe. Safety has a lot to do with life sytle and circumstance, the place you live.

    As long as I have a 2nd Amendment right, and the ability to purchase a legal product, I will do so with or without your approval.

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    Have never suggested otherwise j. But if weapons get regulated, as they have been in the past, you would do well to comply to those regulations.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mornin' Joe.....Still waiting for a response to this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059270883

    Whenever you get a chance thanks.


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    Be patient. Wait. It takes time to respond.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    "You have to show more people protect themselves with guns than shoot themselves accidently. No other grouping matters to my point. - Boo Radley

    I have no idea what your point is, but Goshin and Rev both answered this with hard facts.

    So far all you have done is suggested no evidence is good enough, and given nothing back but hot air.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "You have to show more people protect themselves with guns than shoot themselves accidently. No other grouping matters to my point. - Boo Radley

    I have no idea what your point is, but Goshin and Rev both answered this with hard facts.

    So far all you have done is suggested no evidence is good enough, and given nothing back but hot air.
    Actually, they didn't. They did not measure accidental shootings, or peopel shooting family memebers and friends, with those who protect themselves. They showed other accidents, and compared them with shooting accidents. And then showed an opinion survey. But did not answer my claim at all.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    Becuase it is just silliness j. If you ahve a point make it. If not, play something else.

    No, it would highlight the arrogance in your statements concerning what "the people" want. See, I don't think you give two hoots about what the Constitution says, or what the founding fathers proposed for the future of this country. I think that you like most liberals think they know better, that those that disagree with their own utopian view of the nanny state that they envision are just somehow stupid, and shouldn't be allowed the vote in the first place. And when pressed on this, they dance, and obfuscate, anything but answer in an honest, forthright way that would lead to proper debate. Now I am not saying that you are absolutely this way Joe, but just because you think something is dangerous, and wouldn't have it yourself, doesn't mean that you can preclude me from owning it.

    Right, they don't. Never said they did. But they do rule on law, and have upheld, repeatedly, the right to regulate.
    And how many gun laws are on the books right now that are not being enforced?

    But you respond all the same, and too often, incoherently.
    I do alright. Maybe it is your own seclusion in that ivory tower that prompts you to not understand the average American.


    Do you even know what I've argued?
    Yes. Do you?

    Prove what I think? Let me use some logic for you. Would you say people are better trained with hand guns today than in past? I doubt any evidence woudl support that, espeically in innner cities.
    Who cares what you think? You made a statement that requires back up with statistics Do you have them? Either provide them or retract.

    Because they see weapons used much more violently than people and rural areas see. And they see how easily armed people get killed. It isn't weapons that make you safe. Safety has a lot to do with life sytle and circumstance, the place you live.
    So now you speak for all inner city dwellers from your corn fields in Iowa? that's a good one. Show me your stats.

    Have never suggested otherwise j. But if weapons get regulated, as they have been in the past, you would do well to comply to those regulations.
    Ofcourse I comply with the law. See your problem is though that the criminals that are committing these crimes you imagine don't! What's your answer for them Joe? Disarm me? Why?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    y'all are debating a person with absolutely zero character

    which is why the only recourse remaining is to LOL!

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