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White House to Push Gun Control

Thunder said:
link?

forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
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All I need is one statement.

Shays' Rebellion — a sometimes-violent uprising of farmers angry over conditions in Massachusetts in 1786 — prompted Thomas Jefferson to express the view that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" for America. Unlike other leaders of The Republic, Jefferson felt that the people had a right to express their grievances against the government, even if those grievances might take the form of violent action.

A Little Rebellion Now and Then Is A Good Thing
 
TurtleDude said:
some try to derail a thread by demanding proof of stuff that is obvious
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the details of 4 statements by Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson, are obvious?

sorry, this thread deals with gun laws.

and I ain't taking anything for granted, especially when it comes to supposed quotes by our Founding Fathers, that supposedly support violent revolution against our democratically-elected government.
 
Thunder said:
and the other three quotes??
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I'm not doing your work for you, its called Google. Type in the recipient and the year and you'll have it. The fact remains that these are among the most popular Jefferson quotes, and your demanding proof of them comes from a place of either ignorance, or stalling.
 
Thunder said:
and the other three quotes??
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One doesn't need a list of quotes. Above is Jefferson's quote. Now you might argue that was his opinion alone but his opinion does weight pretty heavy, no?

That would make it a little less than absolutely obvious what was being called for by your definition. Common sense would tell one that the Founders would never have removed the right for individuals to own guns. Much of the country was still unsettled and people had to feed and protect themselves.
 
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Lachean said:
I'm not doing your work for you, its called Google. Type in the recipient and the year and you'll have it. The fact remains that these are among the most popular Jefferson quotes, and your demanding proof of them comes from a place of either ignorance, or stalling.
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both most likely. its a ploy a few use to try to derail comments that are hurtful to their nonsense
 
Thunder said:
why, are you too trustworthy to require backing up your claims?
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I posted a full link to one of the quotes. I only needed one to make my point. One you haven't refuted. There is one quote in there attributed to T.J. that wasn't wrote down anywhere but it's best if you actually find which one and read a bit of the history.
 
Thunder said:
which one is the one that has no source?
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It isn't that it doesn't have a source, it's just not verifiable as his actual words. The last one.
 
ptif219 said:
It has been shown you will not accept it. Explain Melson saying Holder is trying to block his testimony
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So, if he makes a claim, there is no reason to challenge it? You accept all claims made by everyone? Again, you need evidence and not claims.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have shot a criminal

I guess your fear of firearms is amusing. God help you if you ever have to use one to save yourself
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The things is, anyone can claim anything on the internet. Meaningless. Statistics say we don't shoot criminals too often.
 
Boo Radley said:
So, if he makes a claim, there is no reason to challenge it?
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challenge away, chairman

but the sitting atf appointed by obama was UNDER OATH

if he's lying, he's committed a CRIME

he has no reason to lie

holder does

holder wants melson to take the fall even tho dea and fbi were involved

plain as a pane

shills make useful idiots
 
It pisses me off how people look at one single event and base decisions on broad subjects on them. 11,000 or so people die a year from gun violence in the US and yet no one really gives a **** until some high-profile individual gets shot.
 
CarlF said:
It pisses me off how people look at one single event and base decisions on broad subjects on them. 11,000 or so people die a year from gun violence in the US and yet no one really gives a **** until some high-profile individual gets shot.
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Sorry, who exactly doesn't care? One single event? What are you talking about?
 
1Perry said:
Sorry, who exactly doesn't care? One single event? What are you talking about?
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Giffords shooting, mentioned in the OP. All of a sudden after it there was all this **** about gun control that wasn't there before.
 
CarlF said:
Giffords shooting, mentioned in the OP. All of a sudden after it there was all this **** about gun control that wasn't there before.
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It was there. It's why the SCOTUS made a ruling.
 
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