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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A discussion to talk about when a person should be involuntarily admitted to a mental health facility for evalutation. The AZ shtaooting has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with the inability to have mentally unstable people reviewed and flagged. If Loughner was flagged as mentally disabled - even though he lives a fairly normal life, he couldn't have bought the gun.
    We had a problem in the past with involuntary admission to the mental wards. We must not go back to that.

    Let's not go stupid because of a mass murder. They happen quite frequently and are seldom carried out by the certifiably insane. Just ban the 30 round clips and be done with it. That will at least make the shooter purchase 3 Glock 40s.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Why do Conservatives resist any type of gun control in this country. Everytime the issue comes-up they all do the "sky is falling" routine where they think it will be some slippery slope of eradicating gun ownership.
    Have you ever heard of baby steps?

    For christsake, even Dick Cheney said last week we should do something about high-round clips and keep guns out of crazies hands, and he voted against legislation banning the cop killer bullets and plastic guns.

    Oh, and once again, there is only one law regarding mentally unstable gun ownership and they must confess to being crazy at purchase.
    Anti-2nd amendment loons have R's next to their names too.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A discussion to talk about when a person should be involuntarily admitted to a mental health facility for evalutation. The AZ shtaooting has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with the inability to have mentally unstable people reviewed and flagged. If Loughner was flagged as mentally disabled - even though he lives a fairly normal life, he couldn't have bought the gun.
    Thank you. Exactly what I was thinking, but more eloquently expressed.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No.
    That won't stop the frothers from frothing, though, will it?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So you think it is bad to stop mentally imbalanced people from obtaining assault rifles?
    I think "Mentally imbalanced" is extremely broad. IF it speaking of people specifically diagnosed with things like schizophrenia? Or could it be used to deny anyone that has some form of mental issues or history of seeing a mental health professional...meaning, perhaps a rape victim having issues with dealing with their assault who was at one point taking medication and seeing a psychiatrist is denied their 2nd amendment rights.

    I think "mentally imbalanced" is an extremely BROAD term to be able to make any kind of legitimate statement on.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Purty much. I mean, you can't control for crimes of passion or insanity, but yes, in general, there is a relatively small percentage of humans who are likely to kill other humans. If you remove them from society, violent crime decreases.

    p.s. If we really wanted to stop crimes like this, we'd look at our mental health system and the effects of the well-intended but utterly unhelpful reforms of the 1970s and 80s.
    Makes sense I suppose, but then again we only know someone is a murderer after they kill somebody.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Why do you have a questionable mental status?
    Obama will not stop there. He has a history of being anti gun ownership

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Of course not, the GOP will argue that we need thirty-round clips to protect ourselves against the government, bandits, and zombies.
    I certainly do. I plan to survive the coming zombie apocaplypse.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Isn't the slippery slope fallacy an old and unoriginal talking point?
    No Obama has a history of being anti gun

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama will not stop there.
    So what? Obama can't any sort of gun control legislation through a Republican dominated senate. He can be as anti-gun as he likes. He has zero tangible power in this area.

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