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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Then you support restrictions on sexual activity between consenting adults, because we don't let minors under a certain age have sex?
    I don't understand what you're talking about. I support voting control and to a limited extent I support gun control. And as you point out with your example, you and I both support a form of sexual control; namely in the form of the government's ability to protect minors. Government coercion is necessary sometimes. My point is if you support those things be honest about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, only flintlock muzzleloaders should be legal.

    I know you're probably thinking, "good!". But, think about all the loose black powder that would be available to fire those weapons. A 1 pound can of black powder can be created into some really nasty toys.

    No I merely stated that our forefathers couldn't have known about auto weapons back then. But please be silly. Be my guest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No I merely stated that our forefathers couldn't have known about auto weapons back then. But please be silly. Be my guest.
    I'm not the one being silly. Next, we're going to hear from the anti-gun, or at leas the, "I'm-not-so-wild-about-guns", crowd that it should be OK to own a nuke; since the pro-gunners oppose gun control.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Well if you can show me where I specifically said PTSD disqualifies one to OWN a firearm I'll stand corrected. It wouldn't fly anyway because we'd have to disquality thousands of active duty members.
    I listed some things, among them anxiety attacks, depression and PTSD. Ah hell, let me find the exact quotes....





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    But where do we draw the line, regarding "mental illness" as barring someone from certain Constitutionally enumerated fundamental rights? Anxiety attacks? One episode of depression? Two? Vets with PTSD?

    All are potentially dangerous situations. No one in any of those categories has any business gun shopping. If I had a family member that had depression or suicide issues I'd have to be really cold to allow them to go out a buy a gun.

    Now if you misspoke, okay then, but it sure sounded like you meant anyone with anxiety attacks, any previous episode of depression, or PTSD shouldn't be able to buy a gun...

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    As to your argument of incrementalism, this is a tired and rather juvenile NRA position.... if we give one inch, they will take everything. That approach is unreasonable at every level. Some things require fixing, and to fix those things more often results in fortifying one's position, not weakening it.
    And don't forget the NRA has to insure the income that makes it's office holders fat and sassy keeps coming in. It's so trite the national organizations that lose site of their missions, dupe their members, get fat salaries, and their first priority is perpetuating the organization at all costs. If people would only look at how much their donations go into "administrative costs" they would be outraged. Funny I did a cursory look for admin costs of the NRA and couldn't find them. That's a red flag folks.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I already went through this with character references but since you ignored it I won't waste my time repeating it.
    I didn't ignore it. I didn't see it. If I had, I would definitely commented, because character references are even more useless. Who qualifies as a character reference? My Mom?

    How about a congress critter? oh, wait a person's congress critter is a big time anti-gunner. No one will get a reference from him. Or, a congress critter decides that the references are going to come with a fee of a gazillion dollars.

    No, references are even more idiotic and uselss than that shrink evals.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    As to your argument of incrementalism, this is a tired and rather juvenile NRA position.... if we give one inch, they will take everything. That approach is unreasonable at every level. Some things require fixing, and to fix those things more often results in fortifying one's position, not weakening it.


    And don't forget the NRA has to insure the income that makes it's office holders fat and sassy keeps coming in. It's so trite the national organizations that lose site of their missions, dupe their members, get fat salaries, and their first priority is perpetuating the organization at all costs. If people would only look at how much their donations go into "administrative costs" they would be outraged. Funny I did a cursory look for admin costs of the NRA and couldn't find them. That's a red flag folks.
    It's a valid argument. Looks what's going on, right now. There are already laws on the books and the anti-gunners want even more laws put into place. The gun control folks aren't going to end, until there's an all out ban and a nationwide confiscation.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And don't forget the NRA has to insure the income that makes it's office holders fat and sassy keeps coming in. It's so trite the national organizations that lose site of their missions, dupe their members, get fat salaries, and their first priority is perpetuating the organization at all costs. If people would only look at how much their donations go into "administrative costs" they would be outraged. Funny I did a cursory look for admin costs of the NRA and couldn't find them. That's a red flag folks.
    This is part of why I canceled my NRA membership, and joined the GOA (Gun Owners of America). The NRA has become a bloated self-serving bureaucracy. That reflects on the organization's recent leadership, though, not it's cause.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Okay, now I'm bored. Off to watch a Dire Straits concert on Youtube.

    Mucho gusto, compadres.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The White House should support Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s bill outlawing the sale or transfer of clips that hold more than ten rounds, even those obtained before the law takes effect. It's the very least we can do in the face of the Tucson Massacre.
    So when the next killer has two or three guns or clips, will you outlaw owning more then one gun, or one clip?

    Stupid idea that appeals to emotion, not reason.
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