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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all these laws do are hinder and infringe on the rights of honest people--which is what many on the left want

    I have a great idea-YOU CANNOT BUY COCAINE UNLESS A DOCTOR PRESCRIBES IT TO YOU

    THAT WILL STOP ALL THOSE CRACK HEADS FROM ABUSING COCAINE BASE
    IMO, even the staunchest supporter of gun rights, even the most governmentally-paranoid, should not object to keeping guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable. FOIDs issued and renewed by simply paying your fee...no background checks...

    If legislation can be developed that plugs some holes, why would anyone oppose it??
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all these laws do are hinder and infringe on the rights of honest people--which is what many on the left want

    I have a great idea-YOU CANNOT BUY COCAINE UNLESS A DOCTOR PRESCRIBES IT TO YOU

    THAT WILL STOP ALL THOSE CRACK HEADS FROM ABUSING COCAINE BASE
    Don't get worked up. The morons are merely grandstanding until other morons start grandstanding on flag burning and until other morons start grandstanding on abortion laws.

    But it is funny how we celebrate the skilled surgeon for his use of the instrument, but hate the instrument of the murderer. If they had it their way, the surgeon would get no credit. It's all in the scalpel. How's my spelling Johnny?! I have to admit that I had to Google "scalpel," but I made the effort just for you.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Car Crash Stats: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

    The most recent records I can find are for 2004, all told 29,569 people were killed by firearms that year . of that number nearly 14,000 are suicides
    looking at those two stats, wouldn't we be better off banning cars? Look at the benefits, people would move closer to work, lessening urban sprawl. they would either bike or walk to work, putting them in better health, reducing out health care costs. We have just ran those evil oil companies out of business, no need for gas anymore. Ohhhh we saved the world too .. because we just made it much more "greener" global warming would come ot a screeching halt.
    All of our grain production could now go to food .. thus reducing the cost of our food in the markdets. ALL THIS besides stopping over 40,000 needless deaths per year.

    Boy I just bet every liberal should be 125% behind this right ?? . Don't ban gun ban cars far more benefits.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    IMO, even the staunchest supporter of gun rights, even the most governmentally-paranoid, should not object to keeping guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable. FOIDs issued and renewed by simply paying your fee...no background checks...

    If legislation can be developed that plugs some holes, why would anyone oppose it??
    It's not that. It's because the Left constantly goes after gun laws whenever the time is right (as if they don't own guns) and they usually try to get extreme along the way in their rhetoric. In other words, every dead gang banger in L.A. is because some hunter in Georgia has too many guns. Then the Right throws up the shields and the issue goes no where. In the end, we still all have ourguns and we can always go get more. It's a game of BS for which Americans allow themselves to get sucked into.

    Like I've stated...when do we start the great Washington flag burning debate again?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    looking at those two stats, wouldn't we be better off banning cars? Look at the benefits, people would move closer to work, lessening urban sprawl. they would either bike or walk to work, putting them in better health, reducing out health care costs. We have just ran those evil oil companies out of business, no need for gas anymore. Ohhhh we saved the world too .. because we just made it much more "greener" global warming would come ot a screeching halt.
    All of our grain production could now go to food .. thus reducing the cost of our food in the markdets. ALL THIS besides stopping over 40,000 needless deaths per year.

    Boy I just bet every liberal should be 125% behind this right ?? . Don't ban gun ban cars far more benefits.
    Well, that's not the way it works fella. You see, it's not the scalpel, it's the surgeon. It's not the car, it's the driver. It's not the brush, it's the painter. ......It's not the killer, it's the gun? But what if I jab a paint brush into a person's eye? Can I then blame the brush? Or can the scalpel take the blame if I use it to slash a neck?

    The way this works is that people genuinely feel as if they are above the rest if they call for further gun laws. That somehow that makes them more civilized than those who have never killed a thing in their lives, but own guns. It makes themfeel as if they are taking charge of the situation or gaining control of society's wreckless abandon. Most may profess to only care about the looseness of the laws, but ultimately the majority of them are of petrified of guns and simply wish to remove their fears by making everyone else suck on it.

    **I know I used a lot of bigger words in here Johnnie but maybe you could help me out and check my spelling?
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I am well aware of acid burning, just making a quick point, but if that made you feel better about yourself, I am glad I could help.
    If you were well aware of it, you probably wouldn't have made the cliche comment about filing off serial numbers. I see you didn't feel like commenting on the automobiles following your logic. And yes, it does make me feel good that I've helped educate you in some small way.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's not the brush, it's the painter. ......It's not the killer gun, it's the gun person?.
    Corrected it for ya.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    I oppose FOID, especially at the national level, for reasons I've already explained elsewhere. It turns a right into a privilege and makes it too easily infringed upon.

    If FOID ever becomes national law, I will not cooperate with it. It is a needless and excessive intrusion on a fundamantal right.

    We already have background checks via NICS. NICS shows if you're a convicted felon. NICS may show if you've been involuntarily committed or had your gun rights removed by a court. NICS does NOT show things like "considered creepy by everyone who knows him". How exactly can we get stuff like that in NICS?

    Character references? Please. Almost anyone can get three people to sign off on "he's a jolly good fellow."

    There are some things for which there is no reasonable legislative fix.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    IMO, even the staunchest supporter of gun rights, even the most governmentally-paranoid, should not object to keeping guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable. FOIDs issued and renewed by simply paying your fee...no background checks...
    It depends. If you define "governmentally-paranoid" as being mentally unstable; then they'd oppose it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If legislation can be developed that plugs some holes, why would anyone oppose it??
    It would depend on the specifics of the legislation, what it authorizes the government to do, and the effects that it would have on the ability of the individual to exercise their rights and liberties.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If you were well aware of it, you probably wouldn't have made the cliche comment about filing off serial numbers. I see you didn't feel like commenting on the automobiles following your logic. And yes, it does make me feel good that I've helped educate you in some small way.
    Anyway...returning to adult land, using the automobile example is a farse, it is not designed solely for the purpose of death. But I needed to educate you in that small way.

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