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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The average criminal doesn't want to deal with a dog. Problem solved before it even started. They choose a house that doesn't have one.
    Yeah, that's probably true. But if I were robbing a place and came across a dog that wanted to eat me, I'd probably just pop the dog. And then the owner in the leg for having released the dog. Maybe the knee so that whenever it rains they're reminded of their bad choice.

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    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    And that cost him a lot of political clout, didn't it? Did you miss the recent election?
    True true... but it still happened.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    who said government healthcare would never happen? My point is, pro-2nd amendment sentiment is so strong in this country that for anyone to try to implement real, tough gun legislation at this point would be political suicide. I'm pro-gun control for the most part, but if I were President I certainly wouldn't be trying to do anything about it right now.
    Unless you are democrat and you think it will fire up your base

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So I can say "ptif219 is showing signs of being unstable" and then we can huck you into a hospital for an unspecified amount of time to evaluate you, eh?
    It would take more than just one person

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It would take more than just one person
    Cool, cool. I know lots of people, so that shouldn't be hard.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Gun regulation in the U.S. is already tough - if done legally. Yes there are exceptions ie., straw purchases which I don't like either and would like to see removed, but that's a states issue. And I also realize that there are those who think every gun is evil, and therefore all guns should be banned no matter the reason - so some people will always cry about how lax the gun laws are in the U.S. However, in my state, I have to go through a full background check, get a firearms purchasers card, get fingerprinted and get a signed document by my local law enforcement (State Troopers), submit that to the BATF, have them do a full check on me including mental capacity, then I get my card, which takes 30-90 days. If I want a pistol, I have to submit yet another form and I'm limited to 2 pistols per purchase. That takes another 30-90 days. Once I pay my fees and get THAT card, which is only valid for purchase for 30 days, I can go pick out my handgun, and then I have to wait 24 hours before I can pick it up. When I go to pick it up, my ID is checked an another BATF call is made to a hotline to verify I've passed and to validate my form. Then I can go home with my handgun.

    I hear about these people going to gun shows and going home with 20 pistols and stuff, but I've yet to see it, and I've been to gun shows in PA and Virginia. I'm sure it happens, but the frequency may be overblown.
    I believe you. I was merely stating that for Obama to make gun laws stricter in any material sense probably wouldn't be good politics. I definitely believe that the most effective gun control laws should be directed toward the prevention of straw purchases and a better tracking system that allows the ATF to trace crime guns, since currently law prevents them from computerizing that data and putting them into databases and instead they have to resort to manual paperwork.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Presidents have always had czars. This didn't begin with Obama, since most of his "czars" were inherited from Bush.
    So Bush czars are still in place? Show proof

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Unless you are democrat and you think it will fire up your base
    I think Obama's already shown enough propensity for pissing off the base and moving towards the center, because honestly catering to the center does you a lot more good than catering to the liberal base which is pretty small in this country.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I hear about these people going to gun shows and going home with 20 pistols and stuff, but I've yet to see it, and I've been to gun shows in PA and Virginia. I'm sure it happens, but the frequency may be overblown.
    I don't believe it happens at gun shows. I believe it occurs in specific stores with specific dealers.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Presidents have always had czars. This didn't begin with Obama, since most of his "czars" were inherited from Bush.
    Technically incorrect --- the "czars" positions only existing since FDR, they have not "always" existed - though yes, some czar position existed since Bush.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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