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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Tis why I have several guns. Get a 12 gauge. Seriously not messing around here. Just the SOUND of you ratcheting a round into the chamber will allow you to clean up broken glass and the trail of piss the criminal leaves behind.
    I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?
    Have you actually looked at the degree of statistical variance between us and the countries with gun laws? In real terms, it's less than 1 per 1000 people...whether you are the U.S. or the UK.

    United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
    United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

    In neither case are we talking about the type of mayhem that most people seem to think of here. And, most of this occurs in high crime, urban areas, where the majority of guns are illegal.

    Passing laws only affects law-abiding people. Some of the most violent cities in the country are in places with stricter gun control laws (Camden, New Jersey, for instance).
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
    Well you just shoot the dog. Problem solved.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure as hell do. But what is making sure "insane" people have no access to guns going to do about the gun crime rate? Nothing you say? Well that is correct.
    I think this response is perhaps better directed at the conservatives on this thread. I'm one of the liberal gun-control people, not one of the "crazy-people control" people.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I have a pit bull. Statistically speaking, a dog is better than a gun. My dog sounds like she'd eat your liver with a some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
    Dogs are good. My parents have a bulldog, 3 mutts and various dos in and out of the house (mom does animal rescue for a no kill shelter and often has dogs there when needed) and they both have pistols. Because dogs aren't perfect
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?
    According to the corrupt United Nations that does not want private citizens to have guns

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think this response is perhaps better directed at the conservatives on this thread. I'm one of the liberal gun-control people, not one of the "crazy-people control" people.
    Ahh, ok, fair enough. The topic of this thread was findind a way to keep crazy folk from having guns; and that's the topic I was on. Sorry. I'm on of those "The ATF should be a store" sort of folk.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well you just shoot the dog. Problem solved.
    The average criminal doesn't want to deal with a dog. Problem solved before it even started. They choose a house that doesn't have one.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    who said government healthcare would never happen? My point is, pro-2nd amendment sentiment is so strong in this country that for anyone to try to implement real, tough gun legislation at this point would be political suicide. I'm pro-gun control for the most part, but if I were President I certainly wouldn't be trying to do anything about it right now.
    Gun regulation in the U.S. is already tough - if done legally. Yes there are exceptions ie., straw purchases which I don't like either and would like to see removed, but that's a states issue. And I also realize that there are those who think every gun is evil, and therefore all guns should be banned no matter the reason - so some people will always cry about how lax the gun laws are in the U.S. However, in my state, I have to go through a full background check, get a firearms purchasers card, get fingerprinted and get a signed document by my local law enforcement (State Troopers), submit that to the BATF, have them do a full check on me including mental capacity, then I get my card, which takes 30-90 days. If I want a pistol, I have to submit yet another form and I'm limited to 2 pistols per purchase. That takes another 30-90 days. Once I pay my fees and get THAT card, which is only valid for purchase for 30 days, I can go pick out my handgun, and then I have to wait 24 hours before I can pick it up. When I go to pick it up, my ID is checked an another BATF call is made to a hotline to verify I've passed and to validate my form. Then I can go home with my handgun.

    I hear about these people going to gun shows and going home with 20 pistols and stuff, but I've yet to see it, and I've been to gun shows in PA and Virginia. I'm sure it happens, but the frequency may be overblown.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ahh, ok, fair enough. The topic of this thread was findind a way to keep crazy folk from having guns; and that's the topic I was on. Sorry. I'm on of those "The ATF should be a store" sort of folk.
    Haha, that's rather interesting. I know in Mexico the only legal gun store is operated by the Army.

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