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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's what i'm saying. The probably if gun ownership becoming illegal within the near future, or even into the foreseeable future, is virtually nil.
    And we can ensure that it is actually nil by not overreacting to isolated, low probability events.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What's that list got to do with guns or gun laws? And your list doesn't have anything to do with the gun bans in the U.K. or Australia - which is a rights issue, not a homicide issue.
    The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Looks like it has to me....just saying
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure there's much need. These are isolated cases and are very low probability events. Sure with enough time, you'll see the probability work out. But in the end, I don't know what can be done to document and commit these people. Maybe in this one case there could have been something. But it's not going to dramatically affect the system by trying to make changes other than offering a much higher chance of government force used against the rights of the individual.
    When people see signs of them being unstable there should be ways to have them evaluated

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So why is the 2nd so important?

    Can it not be amended, but slavery can?
    The 2nd amendment is viewed as an extremeness important right because it ensures that citizens have the ability to remove the government if it became tyrannical,It ensures that citizens can defend themselves from criminals and invasion. It can still be amended.

    2nd amendment proponents use the lie that the "constitution is a living document" to **** on the 2nd amendment because they know that they can not get the support to amend the constitution to remove it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I don't have a problem with this, however, loughner wasn't judged to be mentally ill. There is no legislation that can be passed that would have changed this situation......at all.

    When was Loughner's mental health evaluated prior to the shooting? He wasn't judged mentally ill because he wasn't evaluated.

    Regarding the legislation comment, you may have missed this from a previous post: Loughner could have been committed under Arizona law - USATODAY.com
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So do you or do you not support gun ownership?

    Do you or do you not want the government to prevent gay marriage and abortion?

    Thus, not partisan hackery!
    Not the point. People said those would never happen yet hear we are. Now we have liberals saying don't worry your guns are safe. It is the liberals trying to get us to let our guard down once again

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And we can ensure that it is actually nil by not overreacting to isolated, low probability events.
    Innocent people get shot the **** up every single day all across America. Prince George's County, in Maryland, where I go to college, experienced 13 murders in 13 days. The only reason we're even talking about Loughner is that it happened on the national stage. Seems to me nobody really likes to touch the issue until real **** happens on TV.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The point is, countries with gun laws have lower murder rates.....do I really have to explain this to you?
    Yes you do. Your link and quote says nothing about guns... just homicides and murders. Do I have to explain how many ways a person can be killed or murdered WITHOUT a gun? Either you link your nonsense statistics to gun use, or it's bupkus, which I already know it is.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So we need guns in our homes to protect against armed intruders....?
    Or rattle snakes.

    I know people who've had intruders come into their home in the middle of the night. I'd damn sure wish I had a gun if that happened.

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