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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright ptif. If the ATF ever comes to your house and tries to take away your guns just shoot the **** outta them with whatever you got. stock up on whatever you need, and take all those nasty Feds out or go out in a blaze of glory.
    You gotta watch out for the ATF. They've shown that they are more than willing to set fire to your compound and watch everyone inside burn to death.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Loughner could have been committed under Arizona law - USATODAY.com
    "The state laws are some of the best in the country," said Jack Potts, a forensic psychiatrist in Phoenix. "The follow-up is not."

    Under Arizona law, anyone can call the county or regional health authorities with concerns about a person's mental health, and authorities are required to send out mobile units to assess the person's condition, said Brian Stettin, policy director at the Treatment Advocacy Center in Arlington, Va., which advocates for involuntary commitment for mental illness.

    The person who files a request for commitment must list the names of two witnesses who can attest to the subject's behavior, although they don't have to sign the document themselves, Potts said.
    Hindsight my friend. He "could have" "might have" had enough people acted. But they didn't. And the police and college folks had both the ample power and reason to get the ball going and dropped it. I don't believe hindsight is wisdom.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He lacks the capacity, as a president, to pass legislation impacting gun rights, when he does not have control of the house. Try to stop panicking.
    That lack of capacity didn't seem to hinder Health Care from getting passed... other things did like a lack of citizens support - but not a Presidential lack of capacity.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Osama Bin Laden certainly did.
    More dishonest, and predictable fails from MG.

    Obama is not one lone man. He's a figure head, albeit an important one of a large diverse organized effort to attack western civilization. How about you refrain from posting till you have something substantive to add.
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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You just don't get it! Look at how many insane people get guns and shoot up civilian areas! There was VT several years ago and now the dude in AZ. I mean, here you are bringing up things which have well greater impact on our probabilities of survival, but don't you see that through draconian methods and government force against our rights we can make a negligible probability even more negligible? Sheesh, some people just don't get it.
    The answer is to commit these people not make anti gun laws

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That lack of capacity didn't seem to hinder Health Care from getting passed... other things did like a lack of citizens support - but not a Presidential lack of capacity.
    I guess...healthcare reform was a watered-down piece of **** in my opinion though. Certainly Obamacare in its current form isn't what he had in mind from the beginning.

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    So I take it you feel that the Constitution should be taken exactly how it was
    Of course and if you think the constitution needs interpretation then you can look at the intentions of those who authored the amendments in the constitution.


    and left unchanged, ever?
    You do not know that we have an amendment process for repealing or adding amendments to the constitution. The most recent one the 27th added in 1992.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Hmm... the U.K. and Australia thought that too. Didn't work out too well for them.
    Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

    Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
    # 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
    # 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
    # 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
    # 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
    # 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
    # 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
    # 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
    # 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
    # 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
    # 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
    # 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
    # 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
    # 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
    # 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
    # 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
    # 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
    # 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
    # 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
    # 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
    # 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
    # 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
    # 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
    # 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
    # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
    # 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
    # 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
    # 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
    # 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
    # 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
    # 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
    # 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
    # 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
    # 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
    # 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
    # 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
    # 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
    # 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
    # 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
    # 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
    # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
    # 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
    # 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
    # 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
    # 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
    # 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
    # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
    # 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
    # 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
    # 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
    # 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
    # 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
    # 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
    # 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
    # 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
    # 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
    # 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
    # 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
    # 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
    # 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
    # 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
    # 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
    # 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people
    Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people





    DEFINITION: Total recorded intentional homicides, completed. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.


    SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention) via NationMaster
    Looks like it has to me....just saying

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright ptif. If the ATF ever comes to your house and tries to take away your guns just shoot the **** outta them with whatever you got. stock up on whatever you need, and take all those nasty Feds out or go out in a blaze of glory.
    Why should I have to? Keep gun ownership legal

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    Re: White House to Push Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The answer is to commit these people not make anti gun laws
    Don't commit them --- just evaluate them even if it involuntary for 24-48 hours and if they've got mental issues and the hospital cannot keep them under current law, have have their record marked that they cannot purchase weapons of any kind, until they have been cleared by a certified / licensed mental health practicioner.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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