Yes, well thank you for being so fair and reasonable in your description of those who uphold the Bill of Rights.
Anytime. I guess my opinion that it shouldn't be easy for crazy's to easily get their hands on firearms isn't fair or reasonable. So be it. No apologies here.
We can save 40,000 lives a year by banning cars...but nobody wants to, because we like cars. Yet, cars are not a Constitutional right. Guns are.
Don't be silly. We need cars for our society to function on a daily basis. We don't need guns for it to function. Cars aren't normally used as a murder weapon and as easily. And we do try and stop people from getting behind the wheel if we believe they are a threat. Your argument is just as dumb as making light of the murders at the WTC, or our troop death numbers in Iraq because more people get killed annually in car accidents. As far as firearms being a constitutional right, that's debatable as to what you feel the framers meant by the right to bear arms.
You can't infringe on a fundamental right without proving that it is necessary, and useful, and that the infringement would impact the criminal moreso than the law-abiding.
I proved you wrong my above post but you blindly ignored it. Nice going.
Given the easy availability of guns on the black market, that proof will be hard to substantiate.
I don't necessarily see mentally unstable people knowing where to go to get a gun in the black market, but of course there will be some, but not all. If they are not easily available over the counter to them, I see most of them going to family members and friends. If the family members and friends clearly know they are culpable they would think twice about giving or selling them a firearm, or signing off they are mentally stable when they are not.
Most dealers wouldn't sell a gun to someone they thought was going to commit murder NOW. That would make them accessories...
Again I proved you wrong in my above post over again and again. Once again you ignored factual evidence. I did notice one Walmart refused to sell a ****load of ammo to Loughner while another had no problem. How responsible do you think a Walmart clerk that get's called over from the garden section, and is behind in her stocking of the shelves is going to be? I'll bet you a hell of a lot of ammo and firearms are sold through Walmart. In fact I know they are.
As I've said, practically anyone can get three people to sign off on "he's a Jolly Good Fellow". Especially if they are not. (It's called Intimidation.)
If they do they're dead meat and I have no pity for them. I have a couple of relatives that have mental issues. I'd have to be ****ing moron to sign off for a firearm that they are a "Jolly good Fellow." Furthermore the intimidation argument is over done. Again a few cases but not enough to say it would be a common issue. You're grasping for straws to make your argument.
I'm all for red-flagging (in NICS) someone who's been involuntarily committed... I think we do that already. If we don't, I agree that we should start.
Well blow me down! We don't btw.
But where do we draw the line, regarding "mental illness" as barring someone from certain Constitutionally enumerated fundamental rights? Anxiety attacks? One episode of depression? Two? Vets with PTSD?
All are potentially dangerous situations. No one in any of those categories has any business gun shopping. If I had a family member that had depression or suicide issues I'd have to be really cold to allow them to go out a buy a gun.
How many people would avoid seeking help for mental illness if they knew they would lose fundamental rights by so doing?
Most don't as it is for two reasons. It's the stigma issue and it's too ****ing expensive. Counseling and psychiatric help is outrageous in price just like the rest of the medical industry. Many insurance companies won't even pay for it, or pay only pay little of the cost. I took in a troubled teenager relative a few years back. My insurance wouldn't cover a dime. It had to come completely out of my pocket, and what we got wasn't worth the money IMHO. The rich can afford much better care.
Your opinion and personal anecdotes, or exceptions to the rule, don't change the facts.
Personal anecdotes? I sited actual incidents and if you don't believe me that the guns were purchased legally look it up yourself. And now you're citing Wikipedia?:shock: Are you kidding me? Don't get me wrong Wikipedia has a lot of good points but I cite actually verifiable incidents and you counter with Wikipedia? :lamo
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