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    School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their academic

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    By Daily Mail Reporter
    Last updated at 11:21 PM on 26th January 2011

    A high school in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, is defending its decision to segregate its students by race and gender.
    The scheme, at McCaskey East High School, separates black students from the rest of the school body, and then further breaks it down into black females and black males.
    The separation is only for a short period - six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month - but it naturally drew criticism for bringing back the awful memory of racial segregation.
    Today the school's principal defended its policy.
    This is amazing, isn't it? Hatuey is going to have a field day with this.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    An entire 6 minutes, it's like Jim Crow all over again.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    What's the point to this?
    It's an experiment to see if a subset of students with the lowest all-round performance perform better in a homogeneous environment, if it's shown to improve their grades, it's a good thing, and if it doesn't, there's no harm done.
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    Bill Jimenez said the school noticed that black students were not performing as well as other students, and that research had shown that same-race classes with strong same-race role models led to better academic results.
    I had no idea such research had even been done. Quite frankly wouldn't have even expected it considering today's political corrrectness. I'd like to see that report before I draw any conclusions about this. If such a report was honest and factual with its data then I wouldn't mind...so long as it had been peer reviewed also.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Wow, this is unbelievably stupid on the school's part, if it's actually true. The fact that it was only six minutes per day makes me suspect that there's something more than meets the eye to this story...after all, how much can you really learn in six minutes? But yeah, racial segregation is a horrendous idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It's an experiment to see if a subset of students with the lowest all-round performance perform better in a homogeneous environment, if it's shown to improve their grades, it's a good thing, and if it doesn't, there's no harm done.
    That's what remedial classes are for. Presumably some of the black students do fine, and some of the non-black students are underperforming. Separating them by race is segregation, pure and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    I had no idea such research had even been done. Quite frankly wouldn't have even expected it considering today's political corrrectness. I'd like to see that report before I draw any conclusions about this. If such a report was honest and factual with its data then I wouldn't mind...so long as it had been peer reviewed also.
    I can buy the same-race role model argument...but not the segregation aspect. We should be concerned about boosting individual performance, not the performance of an arbitrary group of people. The black students who need extra help should get it, and those who don't should not. Just like students of any other race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I can buy the same-race role model argument...but not the segregation aspect. We should be concerned about boosting individual performance, not the performance of an arbitrary group of people. The black students who need extra help should get it, and those who don't should not. Just like students of any other race.
    Underlined part: Doesn't the same-race role model argument sort of imply segregation?

    Bold part: Isn't that what this school is trying to do? Granted it is applied to the whole group..but if something works for the ones that are not doing as well as others then wouldn't it also work for the ones that are doing well also?

    I'm a firm believer in doing whatever it takes to improve childrens education and acadamia performance. If this plan of thiers works then why not use it? Political Correctness? I'm not a fan of it. IMO people need to grow thicker skins and start using things that work and at least try things that might work and peoples feelings be damned.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Underlined part: Doesn't the same-race role model argument sort of imply segregation?
    Not necessarily. You can introduce students to same-race role models simply by having a diverse faculty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Bold part: Isn't that what this school is trying to do? Granted it is applied to the whole group..but if something works for the ones that are not doing as well as others then wouldn't it also work for the ones that are doing well also?
    No. Saying that blacks as a group will improve says nothing about how individual blacks will do. If the black students in the school are underperforming as a group, then of course their aggregate statistics will improve if they're segregated, for the same reason that ANY underperforming group of students would improve if put in special classes. But that's hardly fair to the talented black students or the struggling non-black students. Ultimately, this solution uses race as a proxy for academic performance...so why not just use ACTUAL academic performance measures to segregate the underperforming students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    I'm a firm believer in doing whatever it takes to improve childrens education and acadamia performance. If this plan of thiers works then why not use it? Political Correctness? I'm not a fan of it. IMO people need to grow thicker skins and start using things that work and at least try things that might work and peoples feelings be damned.
    I'm less offended by the political incorrectness of it, than just plain skeptical that it will work. I don't mind innovative solutions, but at the same time I'm not going to support an initiative just because it's edgy and un-PC.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    This brings back fond memories of the 6th grade and teacher that ran the class like a dictatorship. A year before that I had a traumatic thing happen to me that caused me to crawl into a shell and basically become very very shy around people. It was absolute terror for me to just give an oral book report. The teacher in all her wisdom separated myself and a girl who was also shy, from the rest of the class because she assumed we were dumb. (The girl had a nervous disorder). Turns out the teacher was embarrassed when she got back my achievement test scores and I was at a level above the 6th grade. I actually started 1st grade at the age of 4 so I wasn't really stupid.



    My point is if you think this is bad you should see what went on 30 or more years ago. My sister was duck taped to a chair because she couldn't sit still. Educators are still doing stupid things but nothing like they were years ago.
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    I wonder if Hatuey is being silent because it's the liberal school system doing it. Here we have what appears to be a clear case of segregation, and crickets.
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