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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    I can understand segregation based on sex, since many studies have found beneficial (especially for girls) aspects of doing so... but on skin colour/race? This is one hair brained idea that is for sure.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This doesn't quite pass the sniff test to me. Six minutes a day isn't going to do squat for anyone's academic performance. I mean, that's laughable. Segregating students by race throws all manner of warning flags in my head. I don't care about gender. Adolescents are so danged hormonal that six minutes a day without lusting after that hunky jock or getting an erection because a female tank top showed two inches of side boob is probably a good thing. The race thing takes me back to a time that I don't want to see again. There is no logical reason for this. None. Whatsoever.

    Now if this is some kind of cultural support group... although how 6 minutes of "cultural support" a day could possibly be enlightening eludes my grasp... then let the school come out and say so. I just can't buy the "it will improve academic permance hooey." It won't. It can't.

    Personally I've spent a part of my life marching against segregation. I hate it with every fiber of my being. To re-implement such a foul policy on any level at all makes me crazy. This not only doesn't pass the sniff test, it actually reeks to high heaven.
    If you read the link I gave earlier you would see that there are students that are saying they like it (and of course they admit that some don't also). And some of the teachers admitting that they have seen a marked difference in the students attitudes..for the positive. A positive attitude is key in learning.
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    It just amazes me how many people in this thread think that 6 minutes won't change a thing. Especially when there are things that happen in this world that take FAR less time (seconds even) that do and have changed peoples lives. 6 minutes, every day for the whole school year? Yeah...its going to affect people. Take a look at advertising. You get those 30-60 second blurbs about <insert product here> over and over on a consistant basis and what happens? People eventually buy the product just to try it out. If it didn't work then why would companies even bother? And thats not even on a person to person basis. Unlike this schools idea.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I can understand segregation based on sex, since many studies have found beneficial (especially for girls) aspects of doing so... but on skin colour/race? This is one hair brained idea that is for sure.
    It really shouldn't be suprising. Integration used to be a noble concept but now it is a joke. We've set up new laws of segregation. We still encourage things like the Black Miss America contest, traditionally black schools, African Americanism, all kind of black centric celebrations and groups, all of it very much encouraging separation from everyone else. Set asides and quotas according to race should be a thing of the past by now but have become entrenched within our ideaology. The same people who bristle at the idea that blacks are somehow naturally inferior to whites often treat them like they are inferior. I think this may be one of those cases.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I can understand segregation based on sex, since many studies have found beneficial (especially for girls) aspects of doing so... but on skin colour/race? This is one hair brained idea that is for sure.
    Minority students in the U.S. continue to underperform. The economic status of black families has risen, but their children's academic performance has not. School districts are desperate to meet academic performance goals, and at this point, are willing to try almost anything to help black students succeed in school.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It really shouldn't be suprising. Integration used to be a noble concept but now it is a joke. We've set up new laws of segregation. We still encourage things like the Black Miss America contest, traditionally black schools, African Americanism, all kind of black centric celebrations and groups, all of it very much encouraging separation from everyone else. Set asides and quotas according to race should be a thing of the past by now but have become entrenched within our ideaology. The same people who bristle at the idea that blacks are somehow naturally inferior to whites often treat them like they are inferior. I think this may be one of those cases.
    This is true. The same people constantly playing the race card are the same people that are constantly seperating black Americans in all sorts of ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Minority students in the U.S. continue to underperform. The economic status of black families has risen, but their children's academic performance has not. School districts are desperate to meet academic performance goals, and at this point, are willing to try almost anything to help black students succeed in school.
    This is also very true. There's obviously something ingrained in the current black culture that makes academic achievement seem somewhat unimportant, or perhaps even undesirable, among young black Americans.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is also very true. There's obviously something ingrained in the current black culture that makes academic achievement seem somewhat unimportant, or perhaps even undesirable, among young black Americans.
    It's not just that this is occurring within the peer culture. Black families do not prioritize their child's education the way that other cultures do. Black families tend to believe that education is the school's job. Even if they are affluent, they may not spend money on books, computers, etc. that will support their child's education. They do not see their role as standing over their child, making him/her do homework (in general). There are numerous studies that document this issue.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's not just that this is occurring within the peer culture. Black families do not prioritize their child's education the way that other cultures do. Black families tend to believe that education is the school's job. Even if they are affluent, they may not spend money on books, computers, etc. that will support their child's education. They do not see their role as standing over their child, making him/her do homework (in general). There are numerous studies that document this issue.
    Unfortunately, this is a problem in a LOT of households, but it is true that it is more predominant in black (and Hispanic, btw) families. I've heard from some Hispanic people I know that it is somewhat disrespectful to "outperform" your parents in school or work. Many expect their kids to carry on the family as is.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So because in the past we treated race, overall, negatively - we cant ever approach issues on a race-basis? Truth of the matter is that sometimes race is a divide - health wise, academically - and I don't scold if they ahve an obvious problem and are trying to figure out what to do about it.

    Now I don't think this is going to actually help, either - because I feel that issues of the schooling nature are cultural and come more from familial views and support and so forth. But I'm sure that if the students felt like they were being treated *negatively* in this whole deal that they'd certainly put that out there.
    I'm not really concerned with whether the students like it or not... no, I'm not a meanie, I just raised 5 teenagers and what they like isn't necessarily what they need. I'm concerned that, as you stated, this is quite unlikely to help because it doesn't support the root of the problem: cultural differences in educational priorities.

    The school is trying to do something, but they should either go big or go home. If they honestly believe that these kids need cultural support, then for heaven sake give it to them. Give them blocks of time in a cultural support group, not 6 stupid minutes a day. Schedule time where families can attend for group discussions. If black and latino children in that school need more one-on-one time than white children, give it to them. Talking the talk isn't walking the walk. A 45 minute support group meeting every day to discuss educational problems as a group as well as to hear individual kids express their own needs might actually do something.

    But they should stop referring to this as "segregation". That word makes my skin crawl. All other classes must remain integrated, and support groups need sufficient time to actually discover what kind of help each group needs, and to give it to them. It strikes me as a laudible goal with an untenable plan as currently laid out.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm not really concerned with whether the students like it or not... no, I'm not a meanie, I just raised 5 teenagers and what they like isn't necessarily what they need. I'm concerned that, as you stated, this is quite unlikely to help because it doesn't support the root of the problem: cultural differences in educational priorities.
    In this case it appears that what they like, and what they need, is the same thing. Though I think that we should ultimately hold back most of our decision on this programme and see what the test scores turn out to be and see if they are higher than previous scores. (note I said "most"..not all )
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