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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's what remedial classes are for. Presumably some of the black students do fine, and some of the non-black students are underperforming. Separating them by race is segregation, pure and simple.
    There are some education experts who suggest that black culture has a correlation to school underperformance. It has little to do with income. I've seen folks argue that interventions should be culturally based. Perhaps that is what this plan is attempting to do.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

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    I wonder if Hatuey is being silent because it's the liberal school system doing it. Here we have what appears to be a clear case of segregation, and crickets.
    Or because he has a life...Don't you have an x-box or something to amuse you when Hatuey isn't online?

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder if Hatuey is being silent because it's the liberal school system doing it. Here we have what appears to be a clear case of segregation, and crickets.
    Huh? Why does it matter if it's a liberal or conservative school system? For that matter, how do you even know that it *is* a "liberal school system" (whatever that means)? The article certainly says nothing of the sort. It's a shame that you found an interesting topic, and then instead of discussing it you decided to be a partisan troll.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Here's a much better article about what's going on....

    McCaskey tries new mentoring program
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Huh? Why does it matter if it's a liberal or conservative school system? For that matter, how do you even know that it *is* a "liberal school system" (whatever that means)? The article certainly says nothing of the sort. It's a shame that you found an interesting topic, and then instead of discussing it you decided to be a partisan troll.
    Actually to be perfectly fair I would have to deem it a liberal school system also. While looking into the OP's article I read about the school from its own website and read what its objectives are and about its history. It all points to being liberal.

    But you are certainly right that whether it is liberal or not doesn't matter. All that matters is the results. I also agree that it appears that American was just being a troll.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Research has shown, Tilghman said, that grouping black students by gender with a strong role model can help boost their academic achievement and self-esteem.
    Isn't school performance a non-partisan issue?

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's a much better article about what's going on....

    McCaskey tries new mentoring program
    I liked this idea...

    In Thedford's class, for instance, students weren't assigned seats but were asked to sit at desks at which he had placed such name tags as "doctor," "friend," "lawyer" and "father."

    When his pupils arrived, Thedford asked them to sit at the name tag that applied to them, and the class spent several days talking about what it takes to be those people.

    "Once they said it, they were put to the task to aspire to be that person on the card," Thedford said. "Believe it or not, those kids got a sense of ownership.

    "If you can get a bunch of kids, no matter what nationality or ethnicity, to buy into something that nobody ever said they could do, that's a good thing."
    Then why break them up to begin with?

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Then why break them up to begin with?
    Because students need to relate to each other. However, black students, in particular, seem to struggle academically, for cultural reasons that aren't immediately apparent.

    There is an anti-academic culture in a lot of black communities, and in some cases, black kids who excel in school are viewed as sellouts and losers by their peers. This isn't just an urban poor thing, it applies just as much to middle and upper income black families. This school is recognizing the existence of this stigma about school success, and is attempting to change the values of the black peer culture. In other words, making it cool to excel in school.

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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I liked this idea...
    I noted that to. Plan on talking to some teachers in my area about it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Then why break them up to begin with?
    From what I can tell it seems to be based on self identification. Black students will probably identify with black teachers more than that of white teachers. I noticed in the comments section this comment...

    I have the honor of being on the faculty of the J.P. McCaskey Campus. I also know the students well, and have worked very hard to build relationships with my kids. However, I have heard from some of my students, kids that are not white, that they have been at Park City for example, shopping with money in their pockets from their own jobs They have been followed, interrupted, hassled, almost interrogated by employees of stores - and the only reason they can come up with is the color of their skin. Most often by store employees who are white. Granted, some youth from any background and of any color, race or ethnicity will shoplift, and stores must attend to loss prevention - but focus should be on the behavior and not the color.

    Now, I as a white male am, realistically, not the best person to try and get to an earnest open dialogue with some of these students. There is just a little too much history on their side to trust me from the get-go. Over time, perhaps. Given this cold,hard fact the mentoring program, which is not placing any student group in isolation, deserves a solid attempt and trial. If it yields very good results, then who would be losing out?
    What he says there in the bold part is true.
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    Re: School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their acad

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It's an experiment to see if a subset of students with the lowest all-round performance perform better in a homogeneous environment, if it's shown to improve their grades, it's a good thing, and if it doesn't, there's no harm done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I had no idea such research had even been done. Quite frankly wouldn't have even expected it considering today's political corrrectness. I'd like to see that report before I draw any conclusions about this. If such a report was honest and factual with its data then I wouldn't mind...so long as it had been peer reviewed also.
    Six minutes a day. Twenty minutes twice a month. Yeah, there's a scientific study. Let's bank those results. The mentoring aspect is an excellent one. It doesn't take segregation to check that out.
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