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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    ok, back to topic, looking at you apdst. we have $1.5 Trillion in projected deficit this year, $300Billion till we hit the ceiling, are you really willing to cap the debt but stipulate that we pay off the bond holders in full while everything else gets cuts?

    that's what happens when you over borrow.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Why does the G.O.P. hate Americans? They would rather **** over ordinary people to pay foreign creditors? What's the message to the American people? I think we all are hearing the message loud and clear.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I was raising hell about the debt back when I was in high school. I even gave a speech about it in one of my Social Studies classes. I watched it jump from 6 trillion to over 14 trillion. AND NOW REPUBLICANS HAVE THE BALLS TO BITCH ABOUT IT! Forgive me if I'm a little perturbed. This is why I hate both parties, but especially the Republicans because they are bald faced liars who claim they are for smaller, limited government when all they really want is to shove their religious beliefs down people's throats in order to keep the homos from marrying and the doctors from killing the unborn babies. And now that they helped the Democrats SCREW over this country, they PLAY THE PARTISAN BITCHING CARD! You want to make the debt smaller. STOP VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS!
    Stop getting so pissed. I was doing the same thing in college. Most republicans cared about the debt, but trusted their representitives too much and didn't hold their feet to the fire. you can say what you want about the politicians, but you don't know every republican out there and many out there that are in the tea party did raise questions about the debt over and over again but no one paid attention, and didn't start protesting because...well...when was the last time there was a real conservative protest?

    But before you start bitching about republicans, it's the new republicans in congress now that are actually doing something about it, whether you agree with them or not on everything else. It is THEY that is holding other republicans feet to the fire of conservativism, while it is your democrat friends across the isle that is matching 10 years of revenue from higher taxes, with 6 years of hiked spending and calling it "cost-effective".Out of all liberals that talk about paying off the debt, you seem to be the only one that cares, while republicans continue to punish their own representives for not keeping Bush in line.

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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Stop getting so pissed. I was doing the same thing in college. Most republicans cared about the debt, but trusted their representitives too much and didn't hold their feet to the fire. you can say what you want about the politicians, but you don't know every republican out there and many out there that are in the tea party did raise questions about the debt over and over again but no one paid attention, and didn't start protesting because...well...when was the last time there was a real conservative protest?

    But before you start bitching about republicans, it's the new republicans in congress now that are actually doing something about it, whether you agree with them or not on everything else. It is THEY that is holding other republicans feet to the fire of conservativism, while it is your democrat friends across the isle that is matching 10 years of revenue from higher taxes, with 6 years of hiked spending and calling it "cost-effective".Out of all liberals that talk about paying off the debt, you seem to be the only one that cares, while republicans continue to punish their own representives for not keeping Bush in line.
    so first you start out by telling him not to get mad, the problem is us not holding the politicians' feet to the fire. which of course that's exactly what he was talking about, the only way we can hold politicians accountable (since we don't do the violent revolt thing in this country too often) is by voting for someone else. that's exactly what he was advocating in that post. then you went on to tell us why we should keep voting for republicans even though they have quite a history of not doing what their voters expect them to do. this is the twisted mental gymnastics you have to do in order to hold onto your 2 party narrative and still think we live in a democracy that holds it's elected officials accountable to the people.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    so first you start out by telling him not to get mad, the problem is us not holding the politicians' feet to the fire. which of course that's exactly what he was talking about, the only way we can hold politicians accountable (since we don't do the violent revolt thing in this country too often) is by voting for someone else. that's exactly what he was advocating in that post. then you went on to tell us why we should keep voting for republicans even though they have quite a history of not doing what their voters expect them to do. this is the twisted mental gymnastics you have to do in order to hold onto your 2 party narrative and still think we live in a democracy that holds it's elected officials accountable to the people.
    Oh I see, so democrats are better then. Im sorry...who cares about the 14 trillion debt again? If that "someone else" is someone who says "Nah, **** the debt, it doesn't exist, we need more ****!" Then untill a republican proposes we spend a dollar more than democrats are spending now, then hell no im not voting for someone else!

    Point is, it doesn't matter. If events were linear, you would have a point, but that's not how it works in the real world. We have a duopoly in this country, and so the only way things will change, is if we work inside the system. So far, the only ones who care enough and are realistic enough to do that to settle the debt is the few republicans in congress and that dennis kucinich. sorry if I see no hope in the democrats, they haven't proven anything to me...Nay, went OUT OF THEIR WAY to prove that they are the complete opposite of what this country needs. Dr Paul, has proven and is time-tested and his republicans can actually be shamed into doing the right thing, as the bailout vote proved 2 years ago.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Why does the G.O.P. hate Americans? They would rather **** over ordinary people to pay foreign creditors? What's the message to the American people? I think we all are hearing the message loud and clear.
    Yeah, their message is "We are gonna reign in this borrowing so that your hard work and money isn't wasted."

    Sounds like a good plan to me.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Oh I see, so democrats are better then. Im sorry...who cares about the 14 trillion debt again? If that "someone else" is someone who says "Nah, **** the debt, it doesn't exist, we need more ****!" Then untill a republican proposes we spend a dollar more than democrats are spending now, then hell no im not voting for someone else!

    Point is, it doesn't matter. If events were linear, you would have a point, but that's not how it works in the real world. We have a duopoly in this country, and so the only way things will change, is if we work inside the system. So far, the only ones who care enough and are realistic enough to do that to settle the debt is the few republicans in congress and that dennis kucinich. sorry if I see no hope in the democrats, they haven't proven anything to me...Nay, went OUT OF THEIR WAY to prove that they are the complete opposite of what this country needs. Dr Paul, has proven and is time-tested and his republicans can actually be shamed into doing the right thing, as the bailout vote proved 2 years ago.
    so once again you're not 'holding their feet to the fire' as you said before. you're saying as long as they're slightly better than the democrats let's keep voting for them. Criticalthought's post was just saying don't vote for either of these two parties because neither of them are helping the country, only hurting it. do you see how that is ironic since you were blaiming what the republicans were doing when they were raising big deficits on the voters not 'holding their feet to the fire'?

    quite voting for people that are enslaving you sheeple...
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    so once again you're not 'holding their feet to the fire' as you said before. you're saying as long as they're slightly better than the democrats let's keep voting for them. Criticalthought's post was just saying don't vote for either of these two parties because neither of them are helping the country, only hurting it. do you see how that is ironic since you were blaiming what the republicans were doing when they were raising big deficits on the voters not 'holding their feet to the fire'?

    quite voting for people that are enslaving you sheeple...
    Voting for someone worse is just rewarding worse habits, not holding feet to the fire. I already gave you an example of what is, change from the inside. If there is nothing else you want to say, just call me sheep for standing up for myself, and doing my part to eliminate bad eggs in the GOP, then pardon me but, i have other things to be concerned with,

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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Voting for someone worse is just rewarding worse habits, not holding feet to the fire. I already gave you an example of what is, change from the inside. If there is nothing else you want to say, just call me sheep for standing up for myself, and doing my part to eliminate bad eggs in the GOP, then pardon me but, i have other things to be concerned with,
    you need to work on your reading comprehension, i didn't say vote for someone worse, i was saying how criticalthought was advocating voting for someone better, someone more likely to advocate policies that'll fix our situation. what you're doing is settling for the best of two evils. the only thing that does is result in perpetual evil. so if the democrats are absolute horror and violence and misery, and republicans are just violence and misery you'll keep pumping the republicans cause they're slightly less evil than the democrats. in your case you're not holding their feet to the fire, you're saying you'll support them as long as they're not as bad as the democrats. even you admitted that's not a very high bar. now, stop, read this post again, and think about it before you completely misconstrue everything i said again.
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    Re: Republican Party unity cracks over raising $14.3 trillion debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Most republicans cared about the debt...
    Bull. Just like every other time, they were more concerned about being partisan twits and concerning themselves with what the democrats were doing than paying any attentoin to the people they were electing.

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