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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

I could give two ****s about what a Russian said :shrug:
Egypt still has an economy and security issues. That still needs a Government. A temporary coalition is necessary, not this Parliament which should be dissolved immediately

There's democracy hap'nin for yuz! :lamo

No. I do not accept it. Lol at "Great" United States.

Compared to whom? Somalia??? :lamo
 
Nah, compared to common sense
US is not Great. Get over it.
Neither is UK before you jump over that
 
I could give two ****s about what a Russian said :shrug:
Egypt still has an economy and security issues. That still needs a Government. A temporary coalition is necessary, not this Parliament which should be dissolved immediately

No. I do not accept it. Lol at "Great" United States.

Egypt's economy is spiraling fast. The protesters have about another week before food runs out. The regime could easily starve them into submission, especially with the Army protecting access to the government center.

Why they don't organize to deliver food from suppliers to the city....

Why they don't go ahead and elect a shadow parliament...
 
Why they don't go ahead and elect a shadow parliament...

Elections take longer than a week to organise, no?
How do you propose a shadow Parliament is elected?

And yes, the food situation is worrying. It needs to be sorted out
 
I agree that heavy international monitoring may be needed. The Army is complicit with the current regime and can't be trusted. Having Egyptian teams consisting of representatives from many parties may work: Army, MB, secular opposition. ...but only with external monitors as well.

Allowing the army, the MB and the Mubarackbots monitor elections would have been like allowing the Wermacht, the National Socialists the German Communist Party and Karl Doenitz moniter elections in post-WW2 germany. It would have been a goat ****.



That's the point of fair objective elections. Previous elections were anything but and saying a majority of Egyptians used to favor Mubarak is groundless.

Saying that a majority of Egyptians are in favor of Mubarack's ousting, is equally groundless.



Absolutely not. Have you been following events??? MB and the organized opposition parties are playing catchup to the spontaneous demonstrations organized through previously unheard of youth, promoting through the net, twitter and texting. They are the ones who are really telling everyone that Mubarak must go.

Whose been organizing them? Whose been inciting them? I believe that to say this is a 100% grassroots uprising is groundless.
 
Nah, compared to common sense
US is not Great. Get over it.
Neither is UK before you jump over that

Oh? So, what was Somalia's GDP in 2010? Ya'll still dependant on piracy to make a living?
 
US is not Great. Get over it.
Neither is UK before you jump over that

The US is great, of course, and has been since 1919. Since 1945 it is one of two superpowers, recently the only one. Very little in the world occurs without our support. I am very glad we are supporting Egypt's protesters, finally, MB and otherwise (secular).

My only real issue is the hypocracy of our ideals and our foreign policy over the past 50 years. We should promote spreading democracy, popular revolutions, and use intervention to take down despots and autocrats and install democracies a la Iraq. Power to the people.
 
The US is great, of course, and has been since 1919. Since 1945 it is one of two superpowers, recently the only one. Very little in the world occurs without our support. I am very glad we are supporting Egypt's protesters, finally, MB and otherwise (secular).

My only real issue is the hypocracy of our ideals and our foreign policy over the past 50 years. We should promote spreading democracy, popular revolutions, and use intervention to take down despots and autocrats and install democracies a la Iraq. Power to the people.

So what is Obama saying about that Islamic Brotherhood?
 
The US is great, of course, and has been since 1919. Since 1945 it is one of two superpowers, recently the only one. Very little in the world occurs without our support. I am very glad we are supporting Egypt's protesters, finally, MB and otherwise (secular).

My only real issue is the hypocracy of our ideals and our foreign policy over the past 50 years. We should promote spreading democracy, popular revolutions, and use intervention to take down despots and autocrats and install democracies a la Iraq. Power to the people.

Everytime we do, the effort is undermined by the Libbos. They did a fine job of undermining our efforts to defeat Communism in Vietnam.
 
Oh? So, what was Somalia's GDP in 2010? Ya'll still dependant on piracy to make a living?

LOL
I'm impressed and highly flattered Somalia is being used a litmus tool to judge what countries are great.
Every country is great then using that logic. So then US is not special or unique. Just one out of many

You so fail at trying to insult. You've given me an ego boost.
You mad Pirates are running rings around the world's navies to steal more? heh
 
Elections take longer than a week to organise, no?
How do you propose a shadow Parliament is elected?

And yes, the food situation is worrying. It needs to be sorted out

I would say that i-net elections could elect a parliament for the protesters, who could then vote on resolutions and provide spontaneous leadership, not necessarily tied to pre-existing organizations, who seem to be untrusted by a wide swath of the protesters. Not a parliament for all of Egypt, but a negotiating body for the protesters. Use of drivers license numbers could be used to eliminate duplicate voting. Pro-Mubarak forces could skew the results, though.

It is. Food and fuel and money. They need to organize for long term protesting. Food, water, medical, transportation, fuel, communications, .... It would be really nice to see cooperation between urban protesters and rural communities in a ad-hoc barter-based economy to sustain the effort.
 
LOL
I'm impressed and highly flattered Somalia is being used a litmus tool to judge what countries are great.
Every country is great then using that logic. So then US is not special or unique. Just one out of many

You so fail at trying to insult. You've given me an ego boost.
You mad Pirates are running rings around the world's navies to steal more? heh

Somalia isn't being used as a litmus tool of greatness. It's a barometer of suck. Somalia is a ****hole. It's been 20 years since the US left and it's still a ****hole and always will be, a ****hole.
 
Somalia isn't being used as a litmus tool of greatness. It's a barometer of suck. Somalia is a ****hole. It's been 20 years since the US left and it's still a ****hole and always will be, a ****hole.

Still not working.

You said compared to Somalia. Yes, it was being used as a litmus tool and I'm flattered US is being compared to Somalia to then justify why it is so great.

Haiti is also great I have heard next to Somalia and thus equal to US. Flattering Apdst. You shouldn't have given me such an ego boost
 
Still not working.

You said compared to Somalia. Yes, it was being used as a litmus tool and I'm flattered US is being compared to Somalia to then justify why it is so great.

Haiti is also great I have heard next to Somalia and thus equal to US. Flattering Apdst. You shouldn't have given me such an ego boost

I'm not trying to insult you, hun. Just stating a fact, Somalia is a ****hole. The United States is great. I ate more for supper tonight than most Somalians eat in a week.
 
I'm not trying to insult you, hun. Just stating a fact, Somalia is a ****hole. The United States is great. I ate more for supper tonight than most Somalians eat in a week.

US is not Great. That is your opinion and not surprising coming from an American either.
Tendency to be a biased and overly patriotic

You still can't take it back. US is great compared to Somalia but then so is every country in the world. What an achievement. Great next to a country that has been in a civil war for 20 years. Brilliant
 
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Allowing the army, the MB and the Mubarackbots monitor elections would have been like allowing the Wermacht, the National Socialists the German Communist Party and Karl Doenitz moniter elections in post-WW2 germany. It would have been a goat ****.

You failed to recognize that I mentioned secular organizations. That would be the balance needed to keep it honest. Also, I am not convinced that the army, the MB and the Mubarackbots would collaborate. Nor would the Wermacht, the National Socialists, the German Communist Party and Karl Doenitz, depending on what year they held the election. Early on, the Wehrmacht was not necessarily indoctrinated by the National Socialists, a political party. In addition, the National Socialists had eradicated the Communists by 1940.


Saying that a majority of Egyptians are in favor of Mubarack's ousting, is equally groundless.

Agreed. Need a real election to find out.


Whose been organizing them? Whose been inciting them? I believe that to say this is a 100% grassroots uprising is groundless.

The protest organizers

2. Internet-savvy 20-somethings
The April 6 Youth Movement, made up of Internet-fluent Egyptians under 30, organized the first mass protest on Jan. 25 via social media sites. "The public here mocked those young people who had taken to Twitter and Facebook to post calls for protest," says Egyptian author Mansoura Ez-Eldin in The New York Times. But the "cynics — myself included" — aren't laughing anymore. Even after ElBaradei's group and other established opposition leaders joined in the protests, "the same handful of young online organizers were still calling the shots," say David D. Kirkpatrick and Mona El-Naggar in The Times.
 
US is not Great. That is your opinion and not surprising coming from an American either.
Tendency to be a biased and overly patriotic

You're not offending me, because I know better.

You still can't take it back. US is great compared to Somalia but then so is every country in the world. What an achievement. Great next to a country that has been in a civil war for 20 years. Brilliant

Did you even notice that I said, "compared what? Somalia???"? Do you understand what I wrote? No, really, do you? Do you know what, "?", means?

You the one that started this, sweetheart.
 
So what is Obama saying about that Islamic Brotherhood?

I don't know, but they did have 20% representation in the Egyptian parliament until the last rigged election. Similar to Iraq's Shiite coalition, presumably the MB will have to share power with other conservatives to form a coalition themselves. That's democracy....
 
The 11 Countries At Risk of Becoming The Next Egypt

Egypt has been embroiled in political turmoil since protests, inspired by those that overthrew the regime in Tunisia, started last week.
While Egypt, and its Suez Canal, have been worry one for investors world wide since last week, the next big question is whether this dissent could spread to other countries around the region, and world.

Morroco
Jordan
Syria
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Libya
Yemen
Pakistan
Vietnam
Venezuela
China (?)

The 11 Countries At Risk of Becoming The Next Egypt

Saudi Arabia and China. Never
Pakistan maybe. Yemen maybe
 
You failed to recognize that I mentioned secular organizations. That would be the balance needed to keep it honest. Also, I am not convinced that the army, the MB and the Mubarackbots would collaborate. Nor would the Wermacht, the National Socialists, the German Communist Party and Karl Doenitz, depending on what year they held the election. Early on, the Wehrmacht was not necessarily indoctrinated by the National Socialists, a political party. In addition, the National Socialists had eradicated the Communists by 1940.




Agreed. Need a real election to find out.




The protest organizers

Who would that even be?
 
You're not offending me, because I know better.

You the one that started this, sweetheart.

I clearly did touch a patriotic nerve of yours. I just said lol and you got all touchy and sensitive and said compared to whom, Somalia.

Perhaps you are not as confident that US is a "Great" as you say if it must be compared to mine to then justify why it is so marvellous.
:shrug:
 
Everytime we do, the effort is undermined by the Libbos. They did a fine job of undermining our efforts to defeat Communism in Vietnam.

:D Yes, they aren't so liberal are they, at least not in the classical liberal sense. Left-wing social capitalists.

But you cannot only blame the left for our inconsistent foreign policy. There is equal responsibility through the height of the cold war and beyond.
 
:D Yes, they aren't so liberal are they, at least not in the classical liberal sense. Left-wing social capitalists.

But you cannot only blame the left for our inconsistent foreign policy. There is equal responsibility through the height of the cold war and beyond.

Yeah, if we realize that, "foreign policy", has a very broad definition. Alotta folks--mostly Libbos--love to spout about how it's our, "foreign policy", that is the problem, but they're usualy unable to tell us which exact foreign policy that is.

It usually goes something like this:

me: What foreign policy?

Libbo: our foreign, policy.

me: which one?

Libbo: the foreign one.

me: ok, but what about the foreign policy is bad?

Libbo: it was Reagan's fault.

me: what'd he do?

Libbo: Iran-Contra!
 
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