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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Which is it guys? 37 or 115? There's a bit of a difference. Links to sources might help.

It's both actually. The #37 ranking refers to the number of privately owned guns. The #115 refers to the rate of privately owned guns.

BTW, I did provide a source. Click on it and check it out.
 
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What do you believe we should be doing, oh Great and Powerful Oz?

I believe that we should be making it clear, in no unceratin terms, that we'll meet violence with even more violence, if the Brotherhood decides to do something stupid.
 
I believe that we should be making it clear, in no unceratin terms, that we'll meet violence with even more violence, if the Brotherhood decides to do something stupid.

Do you think that even needs to be said? :roll:
 
Al-Arabiya says that Mubarak is about to address the Egyptian people on television. Will he announce he's stepping down, or will this be his Ceausescu-on-the-balcony moment?
 
Do you think that even needs to be said? :roll:

Uh...yeah! It wasn't made clear in 1979 and look what happened.

Obama needs to make a public announcement to the effect of, "go ahead and do what you gotta do, but you hurt a single American, it's on...mother****er".

This would be a good time for Obama to make it clear that they need to start taking him seriously; because at this point, I don't think they take him seriously, at all.
 
Al-Arabiya TV is reporting that Mubarak will announce that he won't stand for reelection this September. That's too far off; I don't think that's gonna placate the protesters...
 
It really doesn't matter what Obama says or does for he will be criticized by republicans for political purposes.
 
It really doesn't matter what Obama says or does for he will be criticized by republicans for political purposes.

Not always, there are some things he's done well. Keeping Guantanamo open even though he says he doesn't want to... the Ledbetter act wasn't bad. He can't be wrong 100% of the time like liberals said Bush was...;)
 
It really doesn't matter what Obama says or does for he will be criticized by republicans for political purposes.

Let there come a replay of the hostage crisis and see how much criticism he gets.

I think he's making the right move by keeping a low profile and not taking sides. (happy?)

But, I also think he needs to make a public statement letting everyone involved know that his wrath will know no bounds, if they harm a single hair on a single American's chinny-chin-chin, which he hasn't done.

Isn't America great? I can openly and publically question our president.
 
But, I also think he needs to make a public statement letting everyone involved know that his wrath will know no bounds, if they harm a single hair on a single American's chinny-chin-chin, which he hasn't done.

What's the point of immediately adopting a hostile attitude? Whoever is in the next government of Egypt, we will need to work with them and do our best to develop a workable relationship with them. Threatening them when they haven't done **** to us is hardly the diplomatic thing to do.
 
Let there come a replay of the hostage crisis and see how much criticism he gets.

I think he's making the right move by keeping a low profile and not taking sides. (happy?)

But, I also think he needs to make a public statement letting everyone involved know that his wrath will know no bounds, if they harm a single hair on a single American's chinny-chin-chin, which he hasn't done.

Isn't America great? I can openly and publically question our president.

Another war if one American gets killed? We can't pay for the last ones.
 
What's the point of immediately adopting a hostile attitude?

To hold a position of strength vice a position of weakness. We're talking to Arabs, not Liberals. They don't respond favorably, just because someone is being nice.


[/b]Whoever is in the next government of Egypt, we will need to work with them and do our best to develop a workable relationship with them.[/b] Threatening them when they haven't done **** to us is hardly the diplomatic thing to do.

Not if they're Islamofacists. That's nothing more than appeasement.
 
To hold a position of strength vice a position of weakness.

You realize that it's typically a sign of weakness to start off with an openly hostile attitude without being provoked. It occurs as a reaction to personal insecurity and fear. It's pretty much true all across the animal kingdom. Just look at chihuahuas.
 
You realize that it's typically a sign of weakness to start off with an openly hostile attitude without being provoked. It occurs as a reaction to personal insecurity and fear. It's pretty much true all across the animal kingdom. Just look at chihuahuas.

Not in that part of the world, it isn't. You're looking at it from the perspective of a moderate American. Not an Arab Islamofacist.
 
Not in that part of the world, it isn't. You're looking at it from the perspective of a moderate American. Not an Arab Islamofacist.

Actually, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a person who has a fair understanding of psychology and biology.
 
Actually, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a person who has a fair understanding of psychology and biology.

You can't place every culture on earth into generalized catagories. In this case, I think your mistaken.
 
What's the point of immediately adopting a hostile attitude? Whoever is in the next government of Egypt, we will need to work with them and do our best to develop a workable relationship with them. Threatening them when they haven't done **** to us is hardly the diplomatic thing to do.

If Obama tries the sane approach, the Reps will be all over him for not being strong enough, for betraying the American people, and dozens of other political gotchas and spin offs. That's the only reason our boys are still in the Afghanistan hell hole.

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Oh, so now Mubarack is stepping down because Obama told him so? :lamo

As I said earlier in this thread, the Mubarak regime cannot survive without the support of the United States.

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The Obama press will never let us down.

Mubarak is expected to address the Egyptian people within the next couple hours. Al-Arabiya TV (hardly "the Obama press") says that he will announce he will not run for reelection in September.

Of course, that's too far into the future. If he had announced that a week ago, he might have been able to hang on until then...but there's no way the protesters will be satisfied unless he leaves the country immediately. I'm thinking his speech tonight will be his Ceausescu-on-the-balcony moment.
 
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Oh, so now Mubarack is stepping down because Obama told him so? :lamo

The Obama press will never let us down.

Obama should keep the hell out of it. Let the Egyptians resolve this thing for themselves.
 
Obama should keep the hell out of it. Let the Egyptians resolve this thing for themselves.

The US has not "kept the hell out of it" for the past 30 years. Anything other than full-throated support for the protesters will and should be interpreted as American support for the tyrant.
 
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As I said earlier in this thread, the Mubarak regime cannot survive without the support of the United States.



Mubarak is expected to address the Egyptian people within the next couple hours. Al-Arabiya TV (hardly "the Obama press") says that he will announce he will not run for reelection in September.

Of course, that's too far into the future. If he had announced that a week ago, he might have been able to hang on until then...but there's no way the protesters will be satisfied unless he leaves the country immediately.

I doubt very seriously that Mubarack is stepping aside, because Obama said so.
 
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