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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

You thought I wasnt being satirical? ;)

Damned great satanist!

On the plus side...Egyptian men and women are likely to soon enjoy the freedoms and 'democracy' known by Iranians...

Ah, the joys of Islam!! What a great religion and so loving! what is there not to like?
 
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$1.59 will barely have any impact at the pump. The $30+ change since last summer had a big impact.

Every dollar increase in the price of crude oil equates to about 2 1/2 cents per gallon on the street ex taxes.
 
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$1.59 will barely have any impact at the pump. The $30+ change since last summer had a big impact.

Why do you think the increasing transfer of wealth from America to foreign powers will barely have an impact? Each price increase incrementally decreases the average American standard of living.
 
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Every dollar increase in the price of crude oil equates to about 2 1/2 cents per gallon on the street ex taxes.

Which is barely an impact. Assuming that a person fills up with 20 gallons a week every week that translates to about $26 per year.
 
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Which is barely an impact. Assuming that a person fills up with 20 gallons a week every week that translates to about $26 per year.

Each incremental increase in the price of fuel has a real impact on Americans who live on fixed incomes.
 
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Why do you think the increasing transfer of wealth from America to foreign powers will barely have an impact?

Why do you think that it is transfered to foreign powers? :lol:

Plus, why do you always move the goal posts when your arguments are shown to have no merit?

Each price increase incrementally decreases the average American standard of living.

By completely undiscernable margins.
 
Ah, the joys of Islam!! What a great religion and so loving! what is there not to like?

Thats what I'm sayin!!!

I dont know why this is so hard...sheesh...

the OFFICIAL Us position SHOULD have been: We agree with your cause of democracy and support the PEACEFUL transition of power. We UNITE with the calls to engage PEACEFULLY with Mubarek and will SUPPORT you in the dialogue to bring about democracy and free elections in Egypt. We FULLY support the egyptian government in maintaining law and order. We will insist that the Egyptian ambassador arrange for a sit down with representative sof the UN, ME, and oppositions parties in Egypt within the week or we will withdraw all support from Pres Mubarek. We MUST insist on supporting Egypt in the PEACEFUL transition to democracy. Rioting and violence should be queled accordingly. Good night and Allah Akbar.
 
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Each incremental increase in the price of fuel has a real impact on Americans who live on fixed incomes.

Sucks for them. If they are so broke that $26 a year will break the bank, they need to walk more.
 
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Sucks for them. If they are so broke that $26 a year will break the bank, they need to walk more.

That is a recipe for the destruction of social cohesion in America.
 
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If it is should we support Mubarak or the people?

We elect and appoint people to own these issues by in large. Ultimately we all bear the burden, but it's likely we cannot reasonably weigh in if we don't have enough information given to us by our delegates, to make an informed decision. Such is the trick of foreign affairs. Tell the people and you tell your opponents. Don't tell the people and you may not represent the people, and may abuse power.

All I'm pointing out is that even though we put on a public face of non-involvement, behind the scenes we are involved in some capacity. I'm guessing, a fairly significant capacity. We're typically the 800lb gorilla in every room.

I'm only pointing out that despite the appearance that our administration is "not involved", it's involved. We have been for a long time, and we still are...involved. Conservatives have a good rhetorical attack on merits of "leading by example", etc., on Obama, but I'd attack that on the basis that they are probably making that claim from ignorance about the actual situation.
 
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Egyptian Army weighs in

The army said on Monday it would not use force against Egyptians staging protests demanding President Hosni Mubarak step down, a statement said.

It said "freedom of expression" was guaranteed to all citizens using peaceful means.

"The presence of the army in the streets is for your sake and to ensure your safety and wellbeing. The armed forces will not resort to use of force against our great people," the army statement said.

"Your armed forces, who are aware of the legitimacy of your demands and are keen to assume their responsibility in protecting the nation and the citizens, affirms that freedom of expression through peaceful means is guaranteed to everybody."

It urged people not resort to acts of sabotage that violate security and destroy public and private property. It warned that it would not allow outlaws and to loot, attack and "terrorise citizens". (Writing by Samia Nakhoul, Editing by Alison Williams)

If the military are making such statements, regime change is not far behind.
 
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I know Im not a fan of Obama...and while I give him props on his anti-terrorism efforts I think he has flopped on just about everything else (OK...his handicap has come down 2 strokes too...there is that). So...I know this will come across as biased...

But why is it that Hilary Clinton is coming across as more engaged and presidential than Obama? And for that matter, Biden is as well.

Because, Hillary doesn't have to fight tooth-n-nail to get elected for a second term. His chances are already slim and none, so he's working to keep them leaning more toward, "slim", than, "none".

And, I'm purdy sure that Biden is serving his only term as VP, no matter what.
 
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So supporting the outgoing Mubarak would be a stupid move on our part??

It's delicate. It is ultimately an internal matter and we need to be cautious about how we react. I think Obama has done a good job announcing support for the protesters and their expression of political will. Obama is stressing the need for a peaceful transfer of power. This, of course, requires us to preserve a good relationship with Mubarak and help convince him to support a peaceful transfer of power himself. The reaction of the Military, who really runs the show given that Mubarak came from there and his PM is military as many of his advisors, is recognition that the banding of various opposition groups, in various stages of organization themselves, and the alignment of the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as the adoption of ElBaradei as nominal spokesman is really most significant compared to the last 30 years. The question seems to be whether ElBaradei can gain acceptance as a spokesman for the people demonstrating, so that there can be negotiations to prevent further violence.


Cairo protesters distrustful as opposition groups jockey

Sunday, the Muslim Brotherhood announced it would support Dr. ElBaradei as the negotiator for the opposition, and most opposition groups have agreed to support him. The spectacled scientist visited the protesters in Tahrir Sunday evening.

But the plans for a massive rally and march Tuesday did not originate with him, just like the uprising itself.

“I think the weakness of the opposition is that there is no organic link between most of the opposition, political parties, and the uprising," says Mustapha Kamel El Sayyid, a political science professor at the American University of Cairo.

The same is true of ElBaradei himself, he says.

Some in the crowd of protesters Sunday and Monday criticized ElBaradei for being away from Egypt when the protests began and only returning two days later, on Jan. 27. The lack of a strong connection between ElBaradei and young people, who have been a driving force of the uprising, means he may not be in a strong negotiating position.

“I don’t know what sort of bargaining chips he has,” says Mr. Sayyid. “This depends on the government perceiving him as the leader of the uprising, but he is not the leader of the uprising. So the government will not have to negotiate with him.”

The fact that Egypt’s opposition – the secular parties and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood alike – are working together is remarkable, but what they have united around is simple: a call for Mubarak to step down. It is not clear how much further they were willing to go together.

At this point, the opposition is just racing to catch up with the masses, says Mr. Hudaiby, the analyst. “I think they have all been marginalized by this movement. They’re way behind the streets.”

He adds that now that people have now seen what they can do for themselves, they are much more skeptical of political leaders. “People are no longer willing to give anyone carte blanche to act on their behalf,” he says.

The protesters in Tahrir seemed to agree. “We don’t want any of the political leaders who are here now,” said Magda Abdel Hamid Sunday, pointing at opposition leaders speaking to a crowd nearby, including Mohammed El Biltagy of the Muslim Brotherhood and former presidential candidate Ayman Nour of the Ghad party.

“We want a president from the people. One who can feel our pain and knows our troubles.” Ms. Hamid says.
 
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Because, Hillary doesn't have to fight tooth-n-nail to get elected for a second term. His chances are already slim and none, so he's working to keep them leaning more toward, "slim", than, "none".

And, I'm purdy sure that Biden is serving his only term as VP, no matter what.

GOOD for him...his hair plugs are startin to fail and if you saw him standing next to the tall ooompa loompa during the SOU...his fake and bake tan is fading as well...he needs a rest.
 
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Because, Hillary doesn't have to fight tooth-n-nail to get elected for a second term. His chances are already slim and none, so he's working to keep them leaning more toward, "slim", than, "none".

And, I'm purdy sure that Biden is serving his only term as VP, no matter what.

Obama is getting rid of Biden for the 2012 election campaign. Rumor has it that Obama is in talks with Mubarak to run as a team. :)
 
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Bullcrap, Radical Islam hates us regardless of who we support or what we do. They hate our way of life and easily sway uneducated people about the evils we offer, yeah, right. Conditions in Iran were much better under the Shah than they are now. Be careful what you wish for because it isn't going to be as good as you think.

Guess a lot of ignorant people who always reach out to the U.S. when in need have short memories when it comes to even recent history.

Stop blaming and apologizing for the United States and our way of life, you sound like Obama.

Radical Islam is going to hate any country that is allied with Israel; period.

We sent millions--possibly billions--in aid to Palestine and those bastards still cheered in the streets when 3,000 Americans were murdered by Islamofacists.
 
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Obama is getting rid of Biden for the 2012 election campaign. Rumor has it that Obama is in talks with Mubarak to run as a team. :)

Well, that would be considered Obama OJT.

<Lord, I apologize... >
 
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Radical Islam is going to hate any country that is allied with Israel; period.

We sent millions--possibly billions--in aid to Palestine and those bastards still cheered in the streets when 3,000 Americans were murdered by Islamofacists.

Then our President goes to the Middle East and apologizes for America. Did us a lot of good, didn't it?
 
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Then our President goes to the Middle East and apologizes for America. Did us a lot of good, didn't it?

That is a matter of opinion, not fact.
 
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That is a matter of opinion, not fact.

Right, and that is what this forum offers a place for opinions AND facts. I have been very specific when I offered facts.
 
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