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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

bye al, have a good one, carry on the ''good work'':2wave:
 
ofcourse al, we know, We must always follow like a sheep and not think about things from different aspects and rational point of views, god how could some game name Rahm Emmanuel be wrong, he loves and cares about each and every single one of us, from the unborn and homeless to the rich, for sure no doubt. no need to think on your own, how silly of me.

Rahm Emmanuel is from your side. I'm just following the rules your side established.
 
my thoughts and solidarity are with the people of Egypt. mubarak left them no other choice. it's not mubarak’s Egypt anymore, and regardless of what happens, it will never be again.
 
"“The American government cannot ask the Egyptian people to believe that a dictator who has been in power for 30 years will be the one to implement democracy,” ElBaradei told US network CBS from Cairo. “You are losing credibility by the day. On one hand you’re talking about democracy, rule of law and human rights, and on the other hand you’re lending still your support to a dictator that continues to oppress his people,” added ElBaradei.

---sounds like a terrorist to me, you conditional democracy supporters gotta jump on this stuff and stop it before it gets worse.
 
apoc im just giving you the actual reason he was killed and not justifying, it was done because he made peace with an enemy they felt they still had to expell from the land they believe is theirs. simple facts why, thats it.

The reason why Saddat was killed is not controversial, he was killed because of the peace he's made with Israel, and he did get the Sinai region back as part of that peace making so your claims here are yet again history revisionism.

apoc, if me calling the 1948 events, where their was a loss of land that arabs lived on mumbo jumbo historical revisionalis, then we have reached a deadend in this discussion

Your claims were pretty much mumbo-jumbo and history revisionism, but they also have had nothing to do with the discussion which is why I choose to ignore said mumbo-jumbo and history revisionism.

apoc i was refering to the part in your post about the sadat assaisination, are you sure you feel ok?

I'm well aware of what you were referring to, my point is that you have chosen to entirely ignore the purpose of my comment, which is to point out that your claim about Mubarak being installed by Western powers is absolutely wrong, misleading, and detached from reality. Do keep on subject.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Are you kidding? There is absolutely no way Mubarak survives this. I give him less than 24 hours before he flees the country.

A little optimistic in your time line me thinks... unless he leaves in the next four hours, that is...
 
And as far away from the Sunni Arab heartland as possible. Ever notice how Muslims (and Christians for that matter) get more healthier the further away from this region they get? Take a look at what Turkey, Iran and even Egypt have in common. They were all converts and had a written history before Islam. The problem is the Sunni Arab in the heartland of the Middle East. Their history began with the Qu'ran. One might wonder what Chritianity in Europe might look like had there been no history before the Bible was written.

I agree that it seems the further away from the Islamic heartland one gets, the Muslims tend to be more moderate ... though keep in mind that there were some pretty fundamentalist Islamic caliphates based in Morocco and Mauritania in the 11th-15th centuries...

However, the Turks DID NOT have a rich, written culture before adopting Islam. They learned both writing and Islam from the Persians. It was cultures in Asia Minor (namely the Roman Empire dominated by Hellenic culture - as was Egypt before the arrival of Muslims) that preceded the arrival of the Seljuq Turks that had a rich, historical culture...

And don't forget, few areas had a richer pre-Islamic history and culture than the Persians, and we all know how that turned out...
 
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Imo Mali and Indonesia may be proto democracies, but they are not democratic states in the sense known in the west. As western power and influence recede they will have less and less of a motive to pursue democracy.

India, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Botswana and Ghana had democracy imposed on them as a result of western colonialism or domination. Democracy is not native to any of those states. We will see how long democracy survives. Taiwan will not remain democratic state because it will be absorbed into the PRC which is the greatest authoritarian power on earth.

America has been the main motivator for the spread of democracy. But the American phase of the Western Era of world history has ended. Democracy is being rolled back. Look at Russia.

Excuse me? Who imposed democracy on Taiwan? Democracy here is not perfect, but it is thriving DESPITE Western indifference, not because it was imposed by the West...
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

American relations with all nations in the eastern hemisphere should be limited to normal trade. Nothing more.

What do we do with France, Spain and the US? I think that the presence of any of their soil in the eastern hemisphere should automatically mean our dealings with them should be limited to normal trade but perhaps that's a little harsh.

The vast majority of France is in the eastern hemisphere, so clearly we need to limit our interactions with them to just slightly above normal trade at most.

But Spain and the UK are mostly in the western hemisphere, so I can see having a wider variety of interaction with them, but still not as much as we would have with Ireland, Portugal, Sierra Leone or the Ivory Coast.

Russia also cuts into the eastern hemisphere a bit, so we might be able to deal with them a little bit more, but I would treat them similar to Ghana, Algeria, Mal, or France.

Come to think of it, some of the Aleutian Islands are in the Eastern Hemisphere. Should we add some limitations to our relations with Alaska because of that?
 
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Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

What do we do with France, Spain and the US? I think that the presence of any of their soil in the eastern hemisphere should automatically mean our dealings with them should be limited to normal trade but perhaps that's a little harsh.

The vast majority of France is in the eastern hemisphere, so clearly we need to limit our interactions with them to just slightly above normal trade at most.

But Spain and the UK are mostly in the western hemisphere, so I can see having a wider variety of interaction with them, but still not as much as we would have with Ireland, Portugal, Sierra Leone or the Ivory Coast.

Russia also cuts into the eastern hemisphere a bit, so we might be able to deal with them a little bit more, but I would treat them similar to Ghana, Algeria, Mal, or France.

Come to think of it, some of the Aleutian Islands are in the Eastern Hemisphere. Should we add some limitations to our relations with Alaska because of that?

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Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I know Im not a fan of Obama...and while I give him props on his anti-terrorism efforts I think he has flopped on just about everything else (OK...his handicap has come down 2 strokes too...there is that). So...I know this will come across as biased...

But why is it that Hilary Clinton is coming across as more engaged and presidential than Obama? And for that matter, Biden is as well.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

But why is it that Hilary Clinton is coming across as more engaged and presidential than Obama? And for that matter, Biden is as well.

I'd say it's because she's Secretary of State and foreign affairs are her job. She works under Obama in this capacity, so she's doing her job at his behest.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I'd say it's because she's Secretary of State and foreign affairs are her job. She works under Obama in this capacity, so she's doing her job at his behest.

And that massive sucking sound is the vacuum of leadership coming from DC.

Funny...the world see's it...but not...say...you...
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

And that massive sucking sound is the vacuum of leadership coming from DC.

Funny...the world see's it...but not...say...you...

I don't see anything wrong with having the Secretary of State do the job of the Secretary of State, no.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I don't see anything wrong with having the Secretary of State do the job of the Secretary of State, no.

Can anyone here name one significant POSITIVE accomplishment Hillary Clinton has generated in the last 2 plus years?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I don't see anything wrong with having the Secretary of State do the job of the Secretary of State, no.

Not at all. That doesnt explain the massive void of leadership.
 
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