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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

In terms of military power, the United States spends more than the next 20 countries combined. There is no way that we're going to be significantly challenged in this arena anytime soon.

In terms of economic power, the American economy is one of the most vibrant in the world. It isn't growing as fast as some other large countries, but that's because developing countries tend to grow faster because there is more room for growth.

In terms of demographic power, it's true that America's population is not growing as fast as other countries, but that isn't a bad thing. We tend to think of more people as more brains to solve problems...which is true in this country. In China and India, it just means more mouths to feed.

I wouldn't start bemoaning the collapse of American civilization quite yet. And in any case, as I said, the rising superpowers will have an incentive to see their neighbors democratize (in India's case) or to democratize themselves as they become wealthier (in China's case). There is no reason to expect democracy to recede.

kandahar, dont waste your time, with albert he could care less about true democracy in other countries, just read a few of his posts in his history, and you willsee exactly what im talking about, trust me kandahar dont beat your head against a brick wall for nothing
 
In terms of military power, the United States spends more than the next 20 countries combined. There is no way that we're going to be significantly challenged in this arena anytime soon.

In terms of economic power, the American economy is one of the most vibrant in the world. It isn't growing as fast as some other large countries, but that's because developing countries tend to grow faster because there is more room for growth.

In terms of demographic power, it's true that America's population is not growing as fast as other countries, but that isn't a bad thing. We tend to think of more people as more brains to solve problems...which is true in this country. In China and India, it just means more mouths to feed.

I wouldn't start bemoaning the collapse of American civilization quite yet. And in any case, as I said, the rising superpowers will have an incentive to see their neighbors democratize (in India's case) or to democratize themselves as they become wealthier (in China's case). There is no reason to expect democracy to recede.

Every non-petrostate with a GDP per capita (PPP) of at least $14,000 is a democracy...and every non-petrostate except Belarus with a GDP per capita (PPP) of at least $10,000 is a democracy. That seems to be a threshold at which people demand their freedoms. It will happen in China when they get close to that income level, and it will happen in Russia and other petrostates when the oil runs out if not sooner.

Oh please, there is no sense in whistling past the graveyard. America has a national deficit of $14+ Trillion Dollars. That will increase by $1.5 Trillion next year and every year as far as the eye can see.

The unfunded Social Security liabilities exceed $30+ Trillion Dollars. The unfunded Medicare liabilities exceed $20+ Trillion Dollars. There is no way to pay this indebtedness that can be agreed upon.

The divisions in this country have paralyzed America. There is no possibility that will change. The American people are being defeated by the American people.

No society in human history has survived an extended period of such financial instability. Not Bourbon France. Not Qing Dynasty China. Not the Soviet Union.

Americans are not exempt from the forces and processes of history. Americans can't fight gravity. And you my friend can't fight facts.
 
kandahar, dont waste your time, with albert he could care less about true democracy in other countries, just read a few of his posts in his history, and you willsee exactly what im talking about, trust me kandahar dont beat your head against a brick wall for nothing

Who are you. We haven't been introduced.

America has destroyed itself for several reasons. One reason contributing to the fall is that America has diverted its resources in attempting to promote democracy. I don't care about any one except Americans. Many Americans share that view.
 
Oh please, there is no sense in whistling past the graveyard. America has a national deficit of $14+ Trillion Dollars. That will increase by $1.5 Trillion next year and every year as far as the eye can see.

The unfunded Social Security liabilities exceed $30+ Trillion Dollars. The unfunded Medicare liabilities exceed $20+ Trillion Dollars. There is no way to pay this indebtedness that can be agreed upon.

The divisions in this country have paralyzed America. There is no possibility that will change. The American people are being defeated by the American people.

No society in human history has survived an extended period of such financial instability. Not Bourbon France. Not Qing Dynasty China. Not the Soviet Union.

Americans are not exempt from the forces and processes of history. Americans can't fight gravity. And you my friend can't fight facts.

OK, but investors who actually have money on the table don't agree with your negative assessments, since T-bond interest rates are at an all-time low. And you still did not address the fundamental point: Those rising powers you're so worried about could pick up where we left off in terms of promoting democracy...at home for China, and in Central Asia for India. Democracy is practically inevitable once a country reaches a certain level of development, at least for non-petrostates.

And even if the US went bankrupt tomorrow it would not change the fact that we have the strongest military and will for a very very long time.
 
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OK, but investors who actually have money on the table don't agree with your negative assessments, since T-bond interest rates are at an all-time low. And you still did not address the fundamental point: Those rising powers you're so worried about could pick up where we left off in terms of promoting democracy...at home for China, and in Central Asia for India. Democracy is practically inevitable once a country reaches a certain level of development, at least for non-petrostates.

And even if the US went bankrupt tomorrow it would not change the fact that we have the strongest military and will for a very very long time.

People I know are diversifying investments out of America if they can because of the increasing risk. Interest rates are being held down by monetary policy. This won't last much longer. Have you seen the price of crude oil? Have you seen the price of food? Commodities are a killer.

The only money I personally see coming into America is from Chinese investors snapping up discounted distressed properties through Vulture Funds. That's not good for American society as a whole.

China is a Leninist state. What possible factual basis do you have for believing it will become a democratic state? The whole world wonders? Central Asian democracy? Uzbekistan? No. Tajikistan? No? Kyrgzistan (sp)? Big No. The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan? It's a Muslim/Narco state.

The American military is living off of its laurels. The equipment they have dates mostly from the Reagan/Bush era. It's getting worn out. The US Navy used to have 600 ships. Now it has less than 300. Production of the F-22 has stopped. The F-35 may not be in the same class as the Chinese prototype of the J-20 fighter which has two engines and apparently a bigger payload.

The Chinese defense budget is skyrocketing. This is the fastest military buildup since German rearmament in the 1930s. The US defense budget has to be slashed so that America can pay for Obamacare, Social Security, Medicare, and interest payments on the national debt. The country is effectively broke.

Without America I think there is a real possiblity that some countries will turn to the Chinese model of development. Authoritarian capitalism. The Chinese people do not seek democracy. They seek prosperity.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

Are you serious, all you have to do is turn on the T.V. and see with your own eyes. your funny:2wave:

I see a few thousand protestors. Egypt's population is 80 million.

D'oh.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I just read something to the effect that the Muslim Brotherhood and ElBaradei are forming a unity govt? Anybody else see or hear anything to this effect?
 
In terms of military power, the United States spends more than the next 20 countries combined. There is no way that we're going to be significantly challenged in this arena anytime soon.
military spending alone is a useless measure of success in any given war. read sun tzu and you'll see that it's true. we've outspent alqueda by a factor of a million, and they've successfully used our own power against us. the big spender win in vietname, or the american revolution? when you're using your military spending to oppress people in their homeland time and time again it has shown to be a waste of money.
In terms of economic power, the American economy is one of the most vibrant in the world. It isn't growing as fast as some other large countries, but that's because developing countries tend to grow faster because there is more room for growth.
compare the portions of our gdp today that are due to things such as financial services or health care or any other sector that doesn't actually provide any production, to the proportion it was 40 years ago. you'll quickly see, despite statistics to the contrary, that we don't produce as much as you think we do. a majority of our gdp is just debt, our economic superiority is a myth based on the faith of the world in our currency. once that finally wanes we'll have nothing else to back it up.

as much as the next person, i don't want to see a decline of american power in the world. but there's no hope of maintaining it while we lie to ourselves. if we take an honest look at the situation we can start to devise workable measures to fix it.
 
This has nothing to do with anything being discussed. Fail. :roll:
It has Everything to do with what's being discussed.

You not only "Failed", you made a nonsense post and had your inaccurate/Blame America politics outed too.
Thus your mocking, but actually embarrassed, emoticon.

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mbig said:
Kandahar said:
1950 - US occupies Korea
1973 - US saves Kim Dae-Jung
1987 - Korea first has a democratic election

I'd hardly call that imposing democracy on them. The US didn't give a damn about Korean democracy.
When it evolved, we helped them manage the transition, but it was almost entirely homegrown. We were just fine with occupying the country for 37 years without demanding democracy, so it's pretty hard to make the argument that they were just bowing to our whims by establishing one.
Or we could have done nothing and had a larger North Korea.

The "Blame America" camp is a very selective view of history.
What's amazing is how widespread it is despite it's jaded and unfair outlook.
 
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Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

If the Muslim Brotherhood joins a unity govt. imo they will ultimately purge all other coalition mates. If this happens it's game over for the American position in the Greater Middle East. If this happens while Barack Obama is president, he will take all of the blame.
 
Who are you. We haven't been introduced.
Sorry about that, hello luca, my name is 24107 and im just another person posting on a forum because im bored.im sorry im not a president or something to make you feel like your in some sort of exclusive club for geniouses.
America has destroyed itself for several reasons. One reason contributing to the fall is that America has diverted its resources in attempting to promote democracy
Like Iraq? where the pretext for attacking was it was falsely said they had nukes. and over a million iraqs have died and their country ruined and shattered for years to come? im sure the iraqs see it that way, especially the ones whose loved ones are no longer breathing, and sectarian wars have broken out as the result of an invasion, i dont think iraq sent an S.O.S. to anyone to come bomb them. as far as diversion of resources, did you forget it is the oil in iraq, that the resources are being diverted and controlled by foreign nations. A famous U.S. general said ''war is a racket'' google that statement and you will find his name.
I don't care about any one except Americans. Many Americans share that view.
If you truly feel that way, you should worry about U.S. taxpayer money being given away by the billions to foreign nations like Egypt, Jordan, and Israel with absolutely nothing in return to your everyday average american citizen.

Luca, you certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?:roll:
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

If the Muslim Brotherhood joins a unity govt. imo they will ultimately purge all other coalition mates. If this happens it's game over for the American position in the Greater Middle East. If this happens while Barack Obama is president, he will take all of the blame.

So tell me Al, do you pray for this every night before you go to bed?
 
Sorry about that, hello luca, my name is 24107 and im just another person posting on a forum because im bored.im sorry im not a president or something to make you feel like your in some sort of exclusive club for geniouses.

Like Iraq? where the pretext for attacking was it was falsely said they had nukes. and over a million iraqs have died and their country ruined and shattered for years to come? im sure the iraqs see it that way, especially the ones whose loved ones are no longer breathing, and sectarian wars have broken out as the result of an invasion, i dont think iraq sent an S.O.S. to anyone to come bomb them. as far as diversion of resources, did you forget it is the oil in iraq, that the resources are being diverted and controlled by foreign nations. A famous U.S. general said ''war is a racket'' google that statement and you will find his name.

If you truly feel that way, you should worry about U.S. taxpayer money being given away by the billions to foreign nations like Egypt, Jordan, and Israel with absolutely nothing in return to your everyday average american citizen.

Luca, you certainly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?:roll:

Nice to meet you luca.:)
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

So tell me Al, do you pray for this every night before you go to bed?

Never let a good crisis go to waste.:) The price of crude oil is going to go up. Who do you think will be blamed? That's right.

The Muslim Brotherhood is not America's enemy. Iran is not America's enemy. Al Qaeda is not America's enemy. I'm focused on the only force on earth that intends to transform me out of existence. Toward that end, any weapon is legitimate.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

If the Muslim Brotherhood joins a unity govt. imo they will ultimately purge all other coalition mates. If this happens it's game over for the American position in the Greater Middle East. If this happens while Barack Obama is president, he will take all of the blame.
The American position in the middle east should be respectful trade and business with the people who live there. no one likes someone else crapping in their house, taking their stuff and killing them. And another bonus on of not taking over another country and doing not good things to other nations are...are you ready for this albert?...drumroll please, you dont give extremists a reason such as anger and revenge, that will motivate them more to do terrorist acts.
If this happens while Barack Obama is president, he will take all of the blame.
funny and ironic how obama, is going to take the blame for something that first started when wasnot even the president and your happy about this why albert? is it because his middle name is hussein? or he is black? im curious why?
 
Never let a good crisis go to waste
said like a man with good principles and morals:doh doesn't sound like a oppurtunistic scavenger like a vulture or hyena, not one bit:roll:
You certainly make Americans look good in the eyes of wider world, have you thought about running for president or doing some foreign relations work:lamo
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

The American position in the middle east should be respectful trade and business with the people who live there. no one likes someone else crapping in their house, taking their stuff and killing them. And another bonus on of not taking over another country and doing not good things to other nations are...are you ready for this albert?...drumroll please, you dont give extremists a reason such as anger and revenge, that will motivate them more to do terrorist acts.

funny and ironic how obama, is going to take the blame for something that first started when wasnot even the president and your happy about this why albert? is it because his middle name is hussein? or he is black? im curious why?

American relations with all nations in the eastern hemisphere should be limited to normal trade. Nothing more.

Obama will be blamed because that is the way the American political system works. Whoever is in office when an adverse event occurs will suffer the blame. I didn't make the rules. I just play by them.

Obama must be taken down because he is the living breathing embodiment of leftist governance in America. His is a representative capacity.
 
said like a man with good principles and morals:doh doesn't sound like a oppurtunistic scavenger like a vulture or hyena, not one bit:roll:
You certainly make Americans look good in the eyes of wider world, have you thought about running for president or doing some foreign relations work:lamo

Are you familiar with Rahm Emmanuel? He was President Obama's main man in the White House. The reference to never letting a good crisis go to waste is his, not mine. :)
 
said like a man with good principles and morals:doh doesn't sound like a oppurtunistic scavenger like a vulture or hyena, not one bit:roll:
You certainly make Americans look good in the eyes of wider world, have you thought about running for president or doing some foreign relations work:lamo

Oh I forgot. What you've said is true. But that doesn't help your president in his hour of despair does it?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

American relations with all nations in the eastern hemisphere should be limited to normal trade. Nothing more
you say normal trade and nothing more in this post, a total contradiction to what you said in your post before that where you said, never let a crisis go to waste. That doesnt sound like intentions for normal relations. are you sure you know what your talking about? or are you unsure? are sleepy maybe?
Obama will be blamed because that is the way the American political system works. Whoever is in office when an adverse event occurs will suffer the blame. I didn't make the rules. I just play by them.
So your comfortable being a callous, cold, emotionless sheep that follows the herd?
Obama must be taken down because he is the living breathing embodiment of leftist governance in America. His is a representative capacity.
is not that being a bit over dramatic? and ''he is a representative capacity'' sounds like a fruitless attermpt by you to sound intelligent
 
Oh I forgot. What you've said is true. But that doesn't help your president in his hour of despair does it?

Albert, is that really the best retort, you have...really? please dont make this so easy al
 
albert, thank you so much for making me feel like an einstein, even though that was not your intention, but thanks anyway
 
Are you familiar with Rahm Emmanuel? He was President Obama's main man in the White House. The reference to never letting a good crisis go to waste is his, not mine. :)

ofcourse al, we know, We must always follow like a sheep and not think about things from different aspects and rational point of views, god how could some game name Rahm Emmanuel be wrong, he loves and cares about each and every single one of us, from the unborn and homeless to the rich, for sure no doubt. no need to think on your own, how silly of me.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

you say normal trade and nothing more in this post, a total contradiction to what you said in your post before that where you said, never let a crisis go to waste. That doesnt sound like intentions for normal relations. are you sure you know what your talking about? or are you unsure? are sleepy maybe?

So your comfortable being a callous, cold, emotionless sheep that follows the herd?

is not that being a bit over dramatic? and ''he is a representative capacity'' sounds like a fruitless attermpt by you to sound intelligent

Normal trade refers to interaction with foreign countries in the eastern hemisphere.

Never let a good crisis go to waste refers to the use of a foreign crisis for domestic political purposes.

Those are two very different things.
 
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