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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

You nailed it. If this wasn't instigated by the Islamists it will certainly be to their benefit. It's a putsch.

But they would not win in the end. The modernists and Islamists both agree that the current trend must be passed into history. But they clash when it comes to the future. Islamists know that ultimately they fail where the people have a choice so they will fight in the name of religion and gather asmuch of the uneducated fools they can for support. They will go extreme and begin slaughtering even their own fellow Muslim (an offense to Islam). But, most in Egypt - not to mention the Middle East - want their "MTV" according to their own rules. They will not trade so easily one oppression for another once they have tasted what Muslims have been voicing for since the beginning of European colonialism. This is not to suggest that they wont stumble. But for all those who look for the strumble to define "failure" should remember that Napoleon wrecked out Europe and North Africa after the French declared independence from monarchy and before they achieved true stable democracy.
 
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Uh-oh.....Yemenese are forming to protest at the Egyptian Embassy in Yemen to show solidarity with the Egyptian people. More and more and more throughout this region that I have been told has no link to each other. Western thinkers just can't grasp that the Western perspective of borders does not define these people. And as we all know, the history of change in this region started in 2010? Ha.
 
It would be temporary. If this were the Cold War, we would be stuck rushing towards them to beat the Soviets so that we could prop up our own "stability." But this is not the Cold War. Even the mighty French took 70 years or so to get Democracy right and they elected an rampaging Emperor along the way (coencidentally invading Egypt too).

History does repeat itself and some never learn.

The Iranians also revolted against the Shah claiming he was a tyrant. It was fueled by Islamic extremists who were the minority at the time. The economy was also hurting and the separation between the very rich and very poor was high.

The extremists in Iran worked on the students who were easy to rile up. Then they started getting the poor involved. Riots tend to self generate as everyone has a gripe and since others are taking to the streets, they might as well, too.

Before you know it, it is a full fledged revolt against a current regime that takes on its own image of being against the tyranny of the current regime and blaming all of the ills that had befallen the nation on that one man.

This is EXACTLY what is happening in Egypt today. For more than a year, students at Egyptian Universities have been riled up. The economy is down the tubes and the average Egyptian is living on $2.00 per day and food is going way past that. So now it is the students and the poor, and the revolt is on its way to dethrone the tyrant.
 
You are being too kind, Apdst.

Most of these people, though able to walk upright, speak and read, are simply mis-educated. What they have learned from their familiar sources is wrong. Thus, even in the first world where information is easily available, we have anti Americanism from people who seriously ought to know better.
while i'll agree that there's plenty of mis-educated (with a very liberal definition of that word), i must remind you that criticizing action made by the american government isn't anti-american, particularly if they're made in the hopes of perpetuating american ideals such as liberty and democracy. the argument that any criticisms of our government is antiamerican is exactly how germans kept people in line.
In this latest crisis with the rioting Egyptians, as we can see, it's not the fault of the Egyptians, or their governments, educational system, culture, etc., it's the fault of the Americans. And they say this with a confidence only the woefully uniformed and stupifyingly ignorant can muster.
of course we can't claim that this is entirely the fault of americans, mubarak himself is egyption in fact. however as americans we should take a critical look at the results of our actions around the world. the tentacles of the US spread all over the place, so our actions have repercussions everywhere. if we arm and provide aid to an illegitimate dictator, we are at fault for aiding the oppression in that country, even if you think we're doing it to aid them.
These responses encourage the idea that civilized man isn't far removed from the cave. We can teach people to read and write, and a monkey to distinguish colours in order to get a piece of fruit, but it's still far removed rational thought. They press a button saying "The Americans did it" only because its easy and they get instant reward, from the likeiminded other monkeys.

What they don't appear to realize is that is that it is in the interests of everyone that Americans succeed in their foreign policy efforts. If they fail we'll all suffer as a consequence.
that statements makes me wonder what you think our foreign policy efforts are for. if you think our efforts are to extend liberty, democracy, and the associated prosperity with it, i'd ask you how does arming and aiding illegitimate dictatorships the world over accomplishes that? on the other hand if you think our foreign policy effort are to get us cheap resources and labor i fail to see how that is in everyone's best interest, with all the poverty and slavery going on in the world that we support. (a reminder, just a few days ago before the protests heated up, mubarak sent police into the factories in cairo to tell people to get back to work, people that are starving because they can't afford food. that is slavery)
Many supported Nazism during WWII, the Communists during the Cold War, and will not even say an unkind word against the Islamofacists of today. Yet should the Islamists take over Egypt and the Middle East, these same people will also blame American foreign policy for their policy failures. They never support the Americans in their endeavours but only criticize with their 20/20 hindsight, even if it means misrepresenting the facts in order to do so.

Put up the barricades, cease further emigration and allow the Islamists to take control of the Middle East and then Europe. We can watch it all on out big screen TV's.

this again is a form of conditional democracy. you're all for democracy as long as they put a pro-US government in place. this isn't democracy at all. if you believe in self determination and free will, you have to allow these people to pick their own leadership. if the people don't like the idea of a foreign power having so much military power in their part of the world more than likely they'll put in a leadership that will oppose that. imagine how much more likely they'd be to have a democratically elected leadership that is pro-US if after WW2 when the western powers were forced to give up their colonies in the area, instead of the US funding a puppet dictator, we allowed the people to be self determining.

please don't take my statements lightly, i believe in america and our ideals. it's just apparent that we don't project those ideals all over the world. we have military bases in 75 foreign countries, imagine what kind of government we'd elect if china, russia, iran, and north korea all had military bases in canada... if you truely support the idea of liberty and self determination rather than the divine providence of american military might you have to allow people to do what they want, even if it's not exactly what you would do.
 
History does repeat itself and some never learn.

The Iranians also revolted against the Shah claiming he was a tyrant. It was fueled by Islamic extremists who were the minority at the time. The economy was also hurting and the separation between the very rich and very poor was high.

The extremists in Iran worked on the students who were easy to rile up. Then they started getting the poor involved. Riots tend to self generate as everyone has a gripe and since others are taking to the streets, they might as well, too.

Before you know it, it is a full fledged revolt against a current regime that takes on its own image of being against the tyranny of the current regime and blaming all of the ills that had befallen the nation on that one man.

This is EXACTLY what is happening in Egypt today. For more than a year, students at Egyptian Universities have been riled up. The economy is down the tubes and the average Egyptian is living on $2.00 per day and food is going way past that. So now it is the students and the poor, and the revolt is on its way to dethrone the tyrant.

No it's not "exactly" what is happening in Egypt. C'mon. Turn your CNN and FOX off (I'm hearing the same BS from the same ignorant narrow minded fools you are). The intellectuals of Iran placed all their hopes on the religious movement because that was the bold opposition. They backed a horse (Khomeini) that they thought they could control and many of them wound up executed for it after the fact when they discovered that they were wrong.

There is no religious "horse" rallying the Egyptian people and no intellectual backing of him. This is a mob scene that is absolutely focused on future democracy and the fact that their political demands have been heard coming out of other societies throughout the region for years, unites these Arab people above the sentiment of Islamist environment. The fact that Islamists exist within the crowd does not mean that "Khoemeini" is back. These are the Sunni for one, not Shia. It is true that virtually all of our religious extremist foes over the last 20 years have ben Sunni Arabs, but it was the Sunni who began their "government" through a sense of democracy after Muhammad died.

What you are seeing on television by dimwitted American analysts who have never set foot in to the region is the same sense of petrified fear you saw when the Soviet Union crumbled. We spent decades trying to crack the Soviet Union apart and when it finally did, we rushed to hold them up for of instability. We preach and preach about the dictators and religious regimes of the Middle East, but rush to criticize anything that threatens to destabilize the region. We are doing the same thing now with Egypt as we weigh the options of supporting the given government or supporting the people who may have to go through some destabilization to achieve true stability.

I say we should begin praising this kind of de-stabilization and **** all those who wish to criticize out of a fear of instability. No great or progressive nation rose without working out a period of de-stabilization. Why we continue to preach for change in the Middle East, but quickly default to caution and a want to go back once we get uncomfortable with it is beyond me. It's win/win for us. We support the people. If they win, we win. If they lose, Mubarak will continue to do business with the most powerful economy and influence in the world. If we do not support these people morally with conviction and volume, then we deserve the hypocritical criticisms we receive from Europeans and other global Leftists.

Our best move (I would assume that Pentagon officials have my brain), is to allow our military commanders to contact the Egyptian military commanders. This will guarantee our position in whatever future.
 
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No it's not "exactly" what is happening in Egypt. C'mon. Turn your CNN and FOX off (I'm hearing the same BS from the same ignorant narrow minded fools you are). The intellectuals of Iran placed all their hopes on the religious movement because that was the bold opposition. They backed a horse (Khomeini) that they thought they could control and many of them wound up executed for it after the fact when they discovered that they were wrong.

There is no religious "horse" rallying the Egyptian people and no intellectual backing of him. This is a mob scene that is absolutely focused on future democracy and the fact that their political demands have been heard coming out of other societies throughout the region for years, unites these Arab people above the sentiment of Islamist environment. The fact that Islamists exist within the crowd does not mean that "Khoemeini" is back. These are the Sunni for one, not Shia. It is true that virtually all of our religious extremist foes over the last 20 years have ben Sunni Arabs, but it was the Sunni who began their "government" through a sense of democracy after Muhammad died.

What you are seeing on television by dimwitted American analysts who have never set foot in to the region is the same sense of petrified fear you saw when the Soviet Union crumbled. We spent decades trying to crack the Soviet Union apart and when it finally did, we rushed to hold them up for of instability. We preach and preach about the dictators and religious regimes of the Middle East, but rush to criticize anything that threatens to destabilize the region. We are doing the same thing now with Egypt as we weigh the options of supporting the given government or supporting the people who may have to go through some destabilization to achieve true stability.

I say we should begin praising this kind of de-stabilization and **** all those who wish to criticize out of a fear of instability. No great or progressive nation rose without working out a period of de-stabilization. Why we continue to preach for change in the Middle East, but quickly default to caution and a want to go back once we get uncomfortable with it is beyond me. It's win/win for us. We support the people. If they win, we win. If they lose, Mubarak will continue to do business with the most powerful economy and influence in the world. If we do not support these people morally with conviction and volume, then we deserve the hypocritical criticisms we receive from Europeans and other global Leftists.

Our best move (I would assume that Pentagon officials have my brain), is to allow our military commanders to contact the Egyptian military commanders. This will guarantee our position in whatever future.

It might help if you paid more attention to history and maybe even Fox to find out what is going on in Egypt. Who governs Egypt when the govt. fails? Think about it.
 
No it's not "exactly" what is happening in Egypt. C'mon. Turn your CNN and FOX off (I'm hearing the same BS from the same ignorant narrow minded fools you are). The intellectuals of Iran placed all their hopes on the religious movement because that was the bold opposition. They backed a horse (Khomeini) that they thought they could control and many of them wound up executed for it after the fact when they discovered that they were wrong.

There is no religious "horse" rallying the Egyptian people and no intellectual backing of him. This is a mob scene that is absolutely focused on future democracy and the fact that their political demands have been heard coming out of other societies throughout the region for years, unites these Arab people above the sentiment of Islamist environment. The fact that Islamists exist within the crowd does not mean that "Khoemeini" is back. These are the Sunni for one, not Shia. It is true that virtually all of our religious extremist foes over the last 20 years have ben Sunni Arabs, but it was the Sunni who began their "government" through a sense of democracy after Muhammad died.

What you are seeing on television by dimwitted American analysts who have never set foot in to the region is the same sense of petrified fear you saw when the Soviet Union crumbled. We spent decades trying to crack the Soviet Union apart and when it finally did, we rushed to hold them up for of instability. We preach and preach about the dictators and religious regimes of the Middle East, but rush to criticize anything that threatens to destabilize the region. We are doing the same thing now with Egypt as we weigh the options of supporting the given government or supporting the people who may have to go through some destabilization to achieve true stability.

I say we should begin praising this kind of de-stabilization and **** all those who wish to criticize out of a fear of instability. No great or progressive nation rose without working out a period of de-stabilization. Why we continue to preach for change in the Middle East, but quickly default to caution and a want to go back once we get uncomfortable with it is beyond me. It's win/win for us. We support the people. If they win, we win. If they lose, Mubarak will continue to do business with the most powerful economy and influence in the world. If we do not support these people morally with conviction and volume, then we deserve the hypocritical criticisms we receive from Europeans and other global Leftists.

Our best move (I would assume that Pentagon officials have my brain), is to allow our military commanders to contact the Egyptian military commanders. This will guarantee our position in whatever future.

Tell me this isn't happening in Egypt

The people of Iran wanted a duly elected, civil government, and still do. The vast majority of rioters and protestors in Iran were not Islamic radicals. All it takes are a few well placed radical leaders blending in with the populace to take control when the void occurs. They claim power in the name of the people. They swear to have immediate elections as soon as possible and things calm down. They take control of the military and the police and before the people know it, the extremists are running the country.

That happened in Iran and will happen in Egypt as HUGE amounts of money and support from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iran and other Arab Muslim nations will pour in.

That money will go to the religious leaders who will prop up the econmomy and look like heroes. They will remain in power and be convert Egypt into another religious Islamic state.
 
It might help if you paid more attention to history and maybe even Fox to find out what is going on in Egypt. Who governs Egypt when the govt. fails? Think about it.

How about the democratic leaning leader that was jailed and sparked the Egyptian fury in the first place? How about the shop keeper on the corner? The point is that their military (of which ours has a great relationship with) will not allow Islamists to create an Arab "Iran." The vast majority of all of these people are made up of non-Islamists.

How dare you and any other Western orientalist assume that only in the West we can demand better and embark on a bumpy road to achieve it. Virtually all of us began out of revolution or rebellion. The only difference is that there wasn't a part of the world that prefered "stability" at all cost and would rather secretly see the dictator making them behave in their oppressions. Our long term security has never been assured by dictators. Only Democracies are fluid and without disruption. It's time we started living up to our own standards for the rest of the world and stopped pretending that the immediate gratifications that dictators supply isn't harmful.

As you can see, I'm not only well versed in the history of this region, but I also have enough real world experience to know better so let's not assume that you have something that will "help me" out of my "ignorance." Especially when you use TV as a guide through this world and assume to derive "wisdom" from it. Fear, bad news, and ignorant shallow analysis will always seek an audience. I've been to Egypt? You?

You think about it.... You see, you aren't paying attention to history. You are paying attention to TV. Before all of this, you wouldn't have the idea about the "doom" that must to follow. Without television analysts covering every angle and focusing solely on the possible negatives, you wouldn'thave such a focus onthe possible negatives. This is not paying attention to history. It's current events with safe (bad) analysis.
 
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Tell me this isn't happening in Egypt

I just did. And when it doesn't quite turn out for you, I fully expect you to simply move on without learning anything and eager to jump on the next televised event where bad analyst are again producing fear and safe negative reports.

But what if they do put in a dictator or some religious nut? What if they do manage to defy what they are seeking? How are they not allowed to experiment their way to democracy the same way the mighty French and so many others did? If you want to play it safe, then prop up a friendly dictator. Of course, this does little for our long term security and religious people tend to go extreme and seek nonsesical blame don't they? Egypt's history is clear. The Muslim Bortherhood is grass rooted here. The Islamist's greatest zealot influences have ceom from authors from whithin Egypt. But today's Egypt is far from the Egypt of the '50s and thanks to globalization, they no longer receive their influence solely from the local Mullah or Imam. From Iraqis, to Iranians, to Tunisians, to Egyptians, and from all of the political rumblings in every single Arab nation along the way we see modernists...not Islamist.
 
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I just did. And when it doesn't quite turn out for you, I fully expect you to simply move on without learning anything and eager to jump on the next televised event where bad analyst are again producing fear and safe negative reports.

I have seen no evidence of you even reading let alone respond to what I posted. It is so simplistic for you, simply overthrow the govt. and all will be well. How did Lebanon, Gaza, Iran turn out for you? Incrementalism isn't something you understand at all. First overthrow the govt, second form a new govt. based upon free principles and free enterprise, then watch that govt. get overthrown because of poor leadership, poor education by radical Islam who will step in and implement another Islamic state. The ultimate goal achieved all because of naive people like you.
 
I have seen no evidence of you even reading let alone respond to what I posted. It is so simplistic for you, simply overthrow the govt. and all will be well. How did Lebanon, Gaza, Iran turn out for you? Incrementalism isn't something you understand at all. First overthrow the govt, second form a new govt. based upon free principles and free enterprise, then watch that govt. get overthrown because of poor leadership, poor education by radical Islam who will step in and implement another Islamic state. The ultimate goal achieved all because of naive people like you.

'if you can't spot the fool, it's probably you'

warn me if you must, but this guy is spouting more dangerous garbage than me calling him out on it.

this 'totalitarian oppression is need to keep the evil islamists out of government' foreign policy you're advocating is fascist nazism. you're a national socialist, you just don't realize it. you don't even know what conservative ideology is about. don't worry i don't blame you. surely it's william f buckley and his protege rush limbaugh's fault. wipe away the fear for have a minute and you'll see your folly.
 
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'if you can't spot the fool, it's probably you'

warn me if you must, but this guy is spouting more dangerous garbage than me calling him out on it.

this 'totalitarian oppression is need to keep the evil islamists out of government' foreign policy you're advocating is fascist nazism. you're a national socialist, you just don't realize it. you don't even know what conservative ideology is about. don't worry i don't blame you. surely it's william f buckley and his protege rush limbaugh's fault. wipe away the fear for have a minute and you'll see your folly.

Someone want to interpret this post for me? I think I have been called a national socialist. ROFLMAO! Looks to me like another intellectual elitist who is out of touch with reality and over analyzes issues and then jumps to the wrong conclusions. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Egypt will be Iran 2 just like Obama is Carter 2.
 
I have seen no evidence of you even reading let alone respond to what I posted. It is so simplistic for you, simply overthrow the govt. and all will be well.

You posted regurgitated crap from TV. And I've stated nothing of the sort. I have, however, warned you of your fear of change and the idea that instability only leads to bad things. The trick to proper analysis is to understand culture and too many of our own analysts don't. This is what happens when we spend 50 years teaching them how to produce analysis from satellite imagry. The few morons you heard on TV are playing it safe and because of this, we begin to assume that it's the favorable dictator or nothing.

Lebanon and Gaza are very distinct local issues that have spent decades being tampered with by the rest of the Arab/Persian civilization. They have been largely radicalized over the Israeli issue. And Iran.... is not Arab. Until you have a grasp of this region, you simply will never grow past the idea that they are all the same on every level. This is called Orientalism.
 
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who ignore history will insist on the friendly dictator for fear that all the Middle East is like Iran. Of course, history has shown us that they are not all Iran and that the friendly dictator encourages the "foriegn devil" blame game used so extensivley by this civlization. It's a clear cut case of misunderstanding the cultures within and thereby doomed to keep repeating history.

I told you that we have very close ties between our militaries. With the Egyptian military keeping the faith of the people, we have our influence and they have their guarantee away from religious rule.
 
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Obama is now totally responsible for the defense of American interests in Egypt and the Greater Middle East. There is zero tolerance for any error. Any mistake will become a campaign issue in 2012.
 
Obama is now totally responsible for the defense of American interests in Egypt and the Greater Middle East. There is zero tolerance for any error. Any mistake will become a campaign issue in 2012.
OK Albert.
You're up!
As I said to Zyroh earlier in the string: "Prez for an hour".

Precisely what should Obama do now?
With Contingencies/What-ifs if it helps.
 
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Obama is now totally responsible for the defense of American interests in Egypt and the Greater Middle East. There is zero tolerance for any error. Any mistake will become a campaign issue in 2012.

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What exactly would you like him to do? Or are you just being an ethnocentric partisan troll?
 
OK Albert.
You're up!
As I said to Zyroh earlier in the string... "Prez for an hour".

Precisely what should Obama do now?

I'm glad you asked me.

1) He needs to continue to play it safe, but with more emphases on future democracy in the public's eye. However, he needs to be in contact with the pharaoh to inform him that if he manages to hold on that he has to prescribe governmental and social change thereby allowing us to preach into the microphones for the people to hear and resume our business deals.

2) On another level, President Clinton changed the policy of our regional commanders (then called CinCs.) He recognized his inability to understand this region. He acknowledged that in the realm of foriegn policy, no one could understand the former generals and military leaders of these nations like our own generals who have worked with them before. And since these former generals and leaders were now "presidents" it made sense. If our Pentagon makes contact with the Egyptian commanders (probably already have), then they can pave the way of mutual understanding between our nations. With their military having the affections of their people (who want democracy - not Sharia), we can be assured a contuned ally in Egypt after Mubarak.
 
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Those who ignore history will insist on the friendly dictator for fear that all the Middle East is like Iran. Of course, history has shown us that they are not all Iran and that the friendly dictator encourages the "foriegn devil" blame game used so extensivley by this civlization. It's a clear cut case of misunderstanding the cultures within and thereby doomed to keep repeating history.

I told you that we have very close ties between our militaries. With the Egyptian military keeping the faith of the people, we have our influence and they have their guarantee away from religious rule.

Really, history has shown that? Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, Tunesia? If you are wrong, then what? Who is going to fill the vacuum left by the overthrow of the govt? Radical Islam is a three step process, one overthrow the existing govt, two, install a weak central govt that is underfunded and weak on leadership, then three overthrow that govt by a well funded Islamic regime that throws money at the people and buys their loyalty.

As was reported today, Marc Ginsberg, Carter's Middle East expert and Clinton's Ambassador to Morocco, hardly a conservative or rightwing nut, said he supported the ouster of the Shah but now realizes that was wrong and look at what we ended up with. That overthrow began just like Egypt's. He said that history is going to repeat himself and this is a liberal expert on the Middle East. What do you know that he doesn't?
 
This is not gonna end in the way we want it.. The Muslim Brotherhood have seen their chance and are going to seize if they can and that will be very very bad for everyone.

That is one of several possible outcomes, though were I a betting man, sadly I would have to agree that this one is more likely than the others...
 
No.
It is bad for US and Western Interests.

If Egypt wants a Muslim brotherhood led Government. They damn well should have that right and it is not for us to intrude on that right. If the Islamists were brought to the table years ago, I doubt it would have been half as bad. This is the result of oppression.
I have no idea what it is about democracy the West hates so much, it seems to oppose it when it doesn't have the results they like. Almost as if saying democracy is good for us but bad for you. So you can have a dictatorship.

But that can only be determined through a free, fair and transparant election... Do you think the Muslim Brotherhood would consent to that?
 
Really, history has shown that?

Yes.

If you are wrong, then what?

I'm not.


Your mistake continues to be orientalism. Take into consideration where Iran's mood was in 1979. They hated us because we were absolutely physically present and much of the revolution was centered around getting rid of us. And just what do you think the distinct mood is around the Israeli environment? None of this reflects on Egypt's mood.
 
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I'm glad you asked me.

1) He needs to continue to play it safe, but with more emphases on future democracy in the public's eye. However, he needs to be in contact with the pharaoh to inform him that if he manages to hold on that he has to prescribe governmental and social change.
Always like your posts MSgt.

Obama is already doing that-- and it seems Tut is doing as advised too. 'Listening to the people' is what he ostensibly doing with this new Cabinet.

2) On another level, President Clinton changed the policy of our regional commanders (then called CinCs.) He recognized his inability to understand this region. He acknowledged that in the realm of foriegn policy, no one could understand the former generals and military leaders of these nations like our own generals who have worked with them before. And since these former generals and leaders were now "presidents" it made sense. If our Pentagon makes contact with the Egyptian commanders (probably already have), then they can pave the way of mutual understanding between our nations. With their military having the affections of their people (who want democracy - not Sharia), we can be assured a contuned ally in Egypt after Mubarak.
This is a good point.
Our generals are their suppliers and trainers.
That's the big 'in' as it's the Military who many are saying really control the day.
Should they switch loyalties from the King Tut to their Brethren, it's over.

But our military, and POTUS, may not want them to switch unless the demos become overwhelming and the situation yet worse.
It's a big strategic gamble (and almost certain loss of varying degree) rolling the 'whos your leader' dice.
 
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OK Albert.
You're up!
As I said to Zyroh earlier in the string... "Prez for an hour".

Precisely what should Obama do now?
With Contingencies/What-ifs if it helps.

I do not have Obama's best interests at heart. I do not have the American Left's best interests at heart. I have been radicalized by the Left. Political nihilism is the path that I am on. Michael Moore, Harry Reid and a host of other leftists have established the precedent that foreign policy crises can be used for domestic political purposes. Once established, the precedent remains in effect. They introduced a deadly toxin into the bloodstream of the body politic. As a result America is paralyzed. That's fine with me. Over the precipice we go together.

The skill set required to achieve electoral victory in America is entirely different from the skill set needed to govern successfully. It should be obvious that Obama has no more experience in foreign policy than the local plumber. His advisors are all from a very narrow slice of the Democratic Party. He needs better advisors imo.

But I can suspend my antipathy in order to treat this issue soberly. Time dictates that I shoot from the hip.

Obama needs to make a choice. He can be reelected or he can try to save the country. For the sake of argument let us assume that he chooses to try to save the country. In that event he should adopt short term, medium term and long term objectives.

Obama must recognize that America is broke, is no longer capable of maintaining the web of institutional and other relationships that constitute the American Empire, and that the political and other divisions in the country prevent effective action.

Long Term Objective: Abandon his reliance on the Liberal Internationalist School of Foreign Policy. Withdraw from the eastern hemisphere completely except for normal trade. Slash the American military to the bone. Renew the American economy and people.

Mid Term Objective: America must accommodate the nascent Iranian Empire because American internal political paralysis prevents America from coping effectively with Iranian strategy and tactics. If they stay out of the western hemisphere we will withdraw from and stay out of the eastern hemisphere.

Short Term Objective: Quietly get all Americans out of Egypt. Say very little. Liquidate American investments in Egypt and the Greater Middle East. Let events in Egypt take their own course. American foreign policy has embittered the Egyptian people. Because of that this will not turn out well for America. Imo there will either be a military coup in Egypt or there will be a revolution which will be coopted by the Muslim Brotherhood. GTFO ASAP.
 
But that can only be determined through a free, fair and transparant election... Do you think the Muslim Brotherhood would consent to that?

Considering the overwhelming drive of the people and somewhat "backing" of the military...they don't have a choice. And this is what the fear mongering analysts seem to dismiss in their haste to celebrate their petrified state over instability.
 
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