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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

The Egyptian protesters are furious with the United States for not standing with them.
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Why would they be furious if they didn’t expect Berry to help them?? As you admit, they do expect Berry to help and they are wondering why he hasn’t yet.

He will but he is such a coward that it will take some time. Once the Islamic Brotherhood is firmly in control Berry will send someone to talk to them and offer aid.

We already see that the military is uncertain which side they want to be on. It makes sense for the military to hold back because once they pick a side things will get worse or put the MB in charge.
 
Iron River said:
Why would they be furious if they didn’t expect Berry to help them?? As you admit, they do expect Berry to help and they are wondering why he hasn’t yet.

He will but he is such a coward that it will take some time. Once the Islamic Brotherhood is firmly in control Berry will send someone to talk to them and offer aid.

We already see that the military is uncertain which side they want to be on. It makes sense for the military to hold back because once they pick a side things will get worse or put the MB in charge.
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I don't think Berry's going to help the protestors and I can't blame him. He already looks stupid enough, and doesn't want to look even more stupider for helping a terrorist org take control of the Egyptian government.
 
apdst said:
I don't think Berry's going to help the protestors and I can't blame him. He already looks stupid enough, and doesn't want to look even more stupider for helping a terrorist org take control of the Egyptian government.
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"more stupider"....heh.
 
I would love to see a system of self governance in Egypt but the Muslim Brotherhood is very strong and will do what ever it takes to seize power.

Most important, of course, is that the people get universal internet access. And if Egypt gets it why not all of America?

Apdst – Berry won’t go in until the MB has the country by the throat and he may be super stupid but he a fellow brother so he will have to help if he wants to achieve collective salvation.
 
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The US need not fear the Muslim Brotherhood...certainly not to the point where we need to support a dictator to prevent it from gaining power. Granted, the Muslim Brotherhood probably will not be as compliant with US interests as Mubarak has been...but there's no reason to assume it's going to be a radicalized organization seeking war with Israel.
 
Kandahar said:
The US need not fear the Muslim Brotherhood...certainly not to the point where we need to support a dictator to prevent it from gaining power. Granted, the Muslim Brotherhood probably will not be as compliant with US interests as Mubarak has been...but there's no reason to assume it's going to be a radicalized organization seeking war with Israel.
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Anytime an Islamist party, that supports anti-American terrorism, takes control of a government, the US should be concerned.

We have Iran, Syria supporting terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah are in Gaza and Lebanon. Now, it appears that the Muslim Brotherhood and there's no telling who those clowns are, that are starting trouble in Jordon.

Yeah, this should be of very high concern.
 
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I’m a little confused by the liberals who can’t accept that Berry might be a muslim. Do they not like muslims? Surely our liberal horde can’t have enough hate in their hearts to hate conservatives, christians, Jews and muslims too.

but there's no reason to assume it's going to be a radicalized organization seeking war with Israel.
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So, we should discount the years of actions and words from the MB as it relates to Israel???
 
Iron River said:
I would love to see a system of self governance in Egypt but the Muslim Brotherhood is very strong and will do what ever it takes to seize power.

Most important, of course, is that the people get universal internet access. And if Egypt gets it why not all of America?

Apdst – Berry won’t go in until the MB has the country by the throat and he may be super stupid but he a fellow brother so he will have to help if he wants to achieve collective salvation.
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Well, I may have miscalled this one. Maybe. We'll see.

Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising - Telegraph
 
apdst said:
Anytime an Islamist party, that supports anti-American terrorism, takes control of a government, the US should be concerned.
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The Islamic Brotherhood does not support "anti-American terrorism." They renounced violence long ago and have mostly kept that promise. Furthermore, Islamist does not necessarily mean radical. There have been moderate Islamist parties in control of Iraq and Turkey in recent years. Neither of them are particularly close to the United States, but they aren't firebreathing extremists either. If that's who the people want to elect, so be it.

apdst said:
We have Iran, Syria supporting terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah are in Gaza and Lebanon. Now, it appears that the Muslim Brotherhood and there's no telling who those clowns are, that are starting trouble in Jordon.
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Well, first of all, Syria is not an Islamist regime...they're just opportunistic. And why do you assume that people who are protesting for democratic freedoms are "clowns starting trouble"?
 
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Kandahar said:
The Islamic Brotherhood does not support "anti-American terrorism." They renounced violence long ago and have mostly kept that promise. Furthermore, Islamist does not necessarily mean radical. There have been moderate Islamist parties in control of Iraq and Turkey in recent years. Neither of them are particularly close to the United States, but they aren't firebreathing extremists either. If that's who the people want to elect, so be it.
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I guess that'w why Hamas states in it's charter that it's a branch of the MB?




Well, first of all, Syria is not an Islamist regime...they're just opportunistic. And why do you assume that people who are protesting for democratic freedoms are "clowns starting trouble"?
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They fund terrorism. Close enough to a pack-a-islamists for me.
 
Apocalypse said:
Why? Who says that the Egyptian public wants ElBaradei to lead it in a transition government? Hell, who says that the majority of Egyptians do not still support Mubarak?
A few tens of thousands of protesters mean nothing, only in Cairo there are almost 8 million people.
Unless we see this in a referendum or elections, let's not jump to conclusions and engage in such hyperbole arguments.
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turn on aljezeera english stream and you'll change your tune quick enough.
 
I hate to pile on but if Syria isn’t an islamo country why did Nan wear a rag on her head when she went over there to apologize for this country?

As for the MB; didn’t some of the 9/11 terrorists have connections to the MB??

It looks like Mubarak will try to replace his cabinet and return but that will fail.

The army may be able to side with the people and save some sort of civility before the islamos get a better foot hold.

The plan is for the islamo radicals to go the heaven fighting the army on TV. If that happens things may get critical.

In any case I bet that the Saudi King has a couple of planes ready to get him out of there and take him to where ever most of the countries gold is. Saudi Arabia falls and we will see that they don’t have enough money in the country to keep them going for a month. Without money to pay the workers the oil industry will collapse in a couple of weeks.

I expect that our military is getting ready to get the Americans that run the Saudi oil fields out of there so when that happens the world will be in big trouble.

We might take this as a wake up call to drill here and do it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Ha. I love it. By all means, lets pretend that an Iraqi population voting on their laws and governance in the central of Arab HQ has nothing to do with populations elsewhere in the region finding their unified voice for something better than oppression. Maybe along the way a religioius region that has the opportunity to express its grievances healthily will be slower to turn towards extremism and blame. Throw in the exponential rumblings in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan and it's always been about our long term security dip****s.
 
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MSgt said:
Ha. I love it. By all means, lets pretend that an Iraqi population voting on their laws and governance in the central of Arab HQ has nothing to do with populations elsewhere in the region finding their unified voice for something better than oppression. Maybe along the way a religioius region that has the opportunity to express its grievances healthily will be slower to turn towards extremism and blame. Throw in the exponential rumblings in Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan and it's always been about our long term security dip****s.
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wait for it...wait for it...
 
I have many close Egyptian friends and I pray they're all safe. From what I understand, Israelis are leaving the Taba sector as a precaution.
 
MSgt said:
Ha. I love it. By all means, lets pretend that an Iraqi population voting on their laws and governance in the central of Arab HQ has nothing to do with populations elsewhere in the region finding their unified voice for something better than oppression.
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So you're saying that Tunisians, located 2000 miles away from Baghdad, looked at Iraq and decided that THAT was what they wanted to emulate? :roll:
Maybe they got tired of oppression all on their own. Believe it or not, the whole world does not revolve around the United States.
 
MSgt said:
I know. Unless they can point out something negative then they deny Iraq's regional role.
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It'll be like stink on ****, by the time I get back from the grocery store.
 
Kandahar said:
So you're saying that Tunisians, located 2000 miles away from Baghdad, looked at Iraq and decided that THAT was what they wanted to emulate? :roll:
Maybe they got tired of oppression all on their own. Believe it or not, the whole world does not revolve around the United States.
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Hell, didn't even get a chance to stand up. :lamo
 
you fund terrorism. are you an evil islamist?
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Where and when did we fund terrorism?

I agree MSgt, that Iraq must be influencing some of this. We know that it will take a long time to get it right in Iraq but Egypt may be able to do it quicker, once they get rid of the current government.

In any case Saudi is in danger and with it our way of life. Even a rational democratic style government wouldn’t send us the last of their oil at current prices.
 
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