Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

apdst · Jan 28, 2011

Laila said:
Egyptians are not going to accept this indefinitely. Nor will others in the Arab world.
All US has done is put off the inevitable and US most certainly will not be called an ally when that time comes but the enemy who has fought against people getting their freedom.

Egyptians on Al Jazeera are also aiming their anger at the US. Blaming it for the dictatorship they have .... and I don't blame them, they should aim some of that anger at US

Of course they are! :rofl

It was only a matter of time, before it becamse our fault.

It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?

Gray_Fox_86 · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?

As long as you are aware that the US did play a part in keeping the tyrant in power. That is all that is important.

apdst · Jan 28, 2011

Kandahar said:
"We strongly support the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people and unequivocally condemn violence against them. We urge President Mubarak to step down immediately, and for Mohammed ElBaradei to lead a transition government in the lead up to elections."

- What Hillary Clinton should say on national television. Right now. This may be Mubarak's last day in power.

I guess she didn't talk to Biden, before making that statement.

apdst · Jan 28, 2011

Gray_Fox_86 said:
As long as you are aware that the US did play a part in keeping the tyrant in power. That is all that is important.

How so?

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Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
I'm not talking the United States tsirring up trouble in Egypt. I'm talking when the Muslim Brotherhood stirs up trouble with us.

Call it what you like, but the point still stands. The US has enough on its plate without any acts of righteous liberation against the evildoers in the Muslim Brotherhood. :roll:

Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
Of course they are! :rofl

It was only a matter of time, before it becamse our fault.

It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?

Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.

zimmer · Jan 28, 2011

mbig said:
Tunisia Feva.
Only this could produce an Islamist regime.

Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime - Middle East - Salon.com

Slidewhow: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime | Slide Show - Salon.com

Three dead in Egypt protests
Three dead in Egypt protests - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
VIDEO

If it is democratic and they vote in Islamic fundamentalists, then it is their choice... so long as they can vote them out too... just as we can vote out our socialist fundamentalists.

Iranian fundamentalists don't seem too popular, nor did they vote in a mess of them in Iraq.

Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?

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apdst · Jan 28, 2011

Kandahar said:
Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.

Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?

Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.

Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.

Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?

And that has what to do with US support for Mubarak for the last 30 years?

apdst said:
Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.

The US gives more military aid to Egypt than any other country in the world except Israel. In fact, we give more military aid to Egypt than to all the rest of Africa combined.

apdst said:
Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.

Maybe they would have been less inclined to "allow" him to stay in office if he didn't have American-made guns pointed at them.

Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

zimmer said:
Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?

There's a difference between allowing a country that wants democracy to have it without propping up their dictator, and actively invading a country to impose democracy upon them. The common theme in both Egypt and Iraq is that the American policy has been to decide their government for them.

mbig · Jan 28, 2011

Arab world unrest has Jordan's king under pressure

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — Unrest ripping across the Arab world is putting pressure on Jordan's King Abdullah II, a key U.S. ally who has been making promises of reform in recent days in an apparent attempt to quell domestic discontent over economic degradation and lack of political freedoms.

After two weeks of widespread protests inspired by the revolt that overthrew Tunisia's autocratic president, Abdullah has promised reforms in meetings with members of parliament, former prime ministers, civil society institutions and even Jordan's largest opposition group, the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood Movement....

Arab world convulsing as protests hit streets | The Australian
January 29, 2011 12:00AM

THE popular unrest sweeping across the Middle East has sent thousands of protesters into the streets of Yemen, Algeria and Jordan, as questions mounted over who will benefit from the convulsions in the Arab world.

Thousands marched through the Yemeni capital Sanaa yesterday, in one of the largest protests seen in the autocratic nation in years. Secularist and Islamist protesters intermingled to shout for the removal of President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a key US ally in the global fight against terrorism, whose government has long been criticised domestically for repression and corruption.

The government of Algeria was considering a broad government shuffle amid two weeks of sporadic rioting there.

In Jordan, the Islamist opposition has called for protests and warned that it would continue campaigning to force political and economic reform in the kingdom...

PeteEU · Jan 28, 2011

Kandahar said:
Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.

Not to mention, the BBC guys picked up some of the rubber bullets shot at close range at protesters... Made in the USA was stamped on them.

EDIT. No it was Sky News guys.

PeteEU · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?

They assassinated him because he made peace with Israel and "very good friends" with the US.

Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.

Direct military aid of over 1 billion dollars. Add in indirect military aid and other security aid and training and Egypt gets the most aid of any nation other than Iraq and Afghanistan.. even more than Israel.

Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.

What a typical right wing cop out.

PeteEU · Jan 28, 2011

zimmer said:
If it is democratic and they vote in Islamic fundamentalists, then it is their choice... so long as they can vote them out too... just as we can vote out our socialist fundamentalists.

They were voted for, and Mubarak annulled the election result and banned the party.

Iranian fundamentalists don't seem too popular, nor did they vote in a mess of them in Iraq.

LOL yea live in that dream world. The Iranian fundamentalists funded a huge portion of Shia parties and even some Sunni parties. They have far bigger influence in Iraq than the US has, and that is scary.

Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?

Boy I guess Fox News does not report from Iraq anymore? The torture and rape rooms are in full swing in Iraq, run by the sitting government, local militias and various factions. The torture and murder of people did not stop just because Saddam was kicked out.. just the other side doing it now... and of course the US soldiers as we all know.

WikiLeaks Docs: Iraq Torture on Obama's Watch? - CBS News

Documents also show that U.S. interrogators continued to question Iraqi detainees, some of whom were still recovering from injuries or whose wounds were still visible after being held by Iraqi security forces

kaya'08 · Jan 28, 2011

PeteEU said:
Direct military aid of over 1 billion dollars. Add in indirect military aid and other security aid and training and Egypt gets the most aid of any nation other than Iraq and Afghanistan.. even more than Israel.
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That's not the case and i haven't seen any sort of evidence to suggest this is true. However they do recieve the 3rd largest aid handout by the US.

This is just another case of American interests Vs American values and the Obama administration is in effect balancing its weight on a rope suspended high in the air.

apdst · Jan 28, 2011

Kandahar said:
And that has what to do with US support for Mubarak for the last 30 years?

Mubarack might not be the prez.

The US gives more military aid to Egypt than any other country in the world except Israel. In fact, we give more military aid to Egypt than to all the rest of Africa combined.

So? That didn't have anything to do with keeping Mubarack in power. The violence of late should be evidence of that. Obviously, when the people wanted him, they're going to get rid of him. Want to blame someone for Mubarack being in office for so long? You can blame the Egyptians.

This faux outrage at The United States is stupid. Not to mention, counter-productive. It's only going to end up bringing the wrath of American down on them and that's something that they can't compete against. It shows that Muslims are nothing more than anti-American bigots.

Maybe they would have been less inclined to "allow" him to stay in office if he didn't have American-made guns pointed at them.

Or, maybe they were just too cowardly to do anything?

GarzaUK · Jan 28, 2011

Its a funny world we live in.

The UK and US spend billions on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands killed in order to inspire democracy in the ME, the Bush Doctrine.

In the end Arabs get inspired by little Tunisia and the price of bread.

mbig · Jan 28, 2011

GarzaUK said:
Its a funny world we live in.

The UK and US spend billions on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands killed in order to inspire democracy in the ME, the Bush Doctrine.

In the end Arabs get inspired by little Tunisia and the price of bread.

It's not that odd to me.

It's in large part demographic. The population in these Arab countries is growing 40% every 10 years, doubling every 20,
Guaranteed Poverty and unrest

6 Minutes

me said:
An Alternative view.
Appealing to those of us who see overpopulation as a/The major problem for the planet.
Not the only cause by any means but.. take a listen.

His view, "Superfluous sons" (4th, 5th, 6th, 55th) is the Biggest catalyst for radicalization/Islamization.
People with Nothing to do.

1997-2007 Gaza population grew by 40%. (even while being "Genocided")
At current rates, the bottom/young group will Double in population by 2030.

""What will 20 million more Yemenis, 28 million more Afghanis, 80 million more Pakistanis do?""

Median age:

Germany... 44
UK........... 40
US .......... 37
Israel ....... 29
Turkey ..... 28
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Iraq ......... 19
Afghanistan 17
Yemen ...... 17
Somalia ......17
Gaza ......... 17

You've either got Islamo-terrorism or revolutionaries. They got NO Place to go and nothing to eat. Of Course.

Cairo is one of the top Overcrowded, Povery stricken Hell Holes.

CONDOMS!
The most important part of our Foreign policy should be Birth Control.

EGYPT. the New Government Won't help You!
STOP ..........................!!

Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

apdst said:
Mubarack might not be the prez.

OK...and again, this has what to do with the US supporting Mubarak for the last 30 years? You can play Fantasy Alternative History all day, or you can actually consider the political realities that exist.

apdst said:
So? That didn't have anything to do with keeping Mubarack in power. The violence of late should be evidence of that. Obviously, when the people wanted him, they're going to get rid of him. Want to blame someone for Mubarack being in office for so long? You can blame the Egyptians.

So we just gave him all that military aid for ****s and giggles...not with any particular goal in mind? You aren't even trying to make sense this time.

apdst said:
This faux outrage at The United States is stupid. Not to mention, counter-productive. It's only going to end up bringing the wrath of American down on them and that's something that they can't compete against. It shows that Muslims are nothing more than anti-American bigots.

I'd be an "anti-American bigot" too if my only exposure to the United States was based on intellectual giants such as yourself.

apdst said:
Or, maybe they were just too cowardly to do anything?

Step 1: Give a thug lots of guns to repress people.
Step 2: Claim that the guns aren't repressive since the people aren't fighting back.
Step 3: Call them cowards for not fighting back.
Step 4: Whine that they're "anti-American bigots" when they do fight back, and continue to defend the dictator.

Makes sense. :roll:

Mr. Invisible · Jan 28, 2011

I am glad to see the people of Egypt standing up for themselves against Mubarak. I hope they succeed in making Egypt a better, more democratic nation.

zimmer · Jan 28, 2011

Kandahar said:
There's a difference between allowing a country that wants democracy to have it without propping up their dictator, and actively invading a country to impose democracy upon them. The common theme in both Egypt and Iraq is that the American policy has been to decide their government for them.

LOL... imposing Democracy upon them. You folks are jewels... from bubble gum machines.

During those "imposed" elections, people stood in line knowing they could be shot, but they had turnout rates higher than for US elections. They weren't forced to go, they CHOSE to go and the joy in their eyes was something to behold. Most thirsted to be free from tyrrany. Those that didn't were Saddam's chosen few. Of course they would be pissed.

After 911 the world changed. Saddam lost Gulf War 1, was supposed to disarm... did not, and after 911 we went to the UN because he posed a serious threat... as the Democrat leadership noted. Saddam kept playing his games and Bush gave him final chances to disarm, and when he didn't he gave him a chance to leave. He didn't take either opportunity.

Perhaps had the UN not been so corrupted as indicated by the Oil for Food program, war might have been averted. But, Saddam most likely thought he had the UN bought off, and Bush 43 was as weak and spineless as Clinton. The corrupted in the UN have blood on their hands.

A million died in Iraq under Clinton's watch, half f them children, but they thought "it was worth the price". What did they accomplish with those deaths? Nothing.

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Iron River · Jan 28, 2011

The Egyptian people will not see self rule anytime soon. The Islamo hard core will take power and impose their will on the majority with the help of the young poor who don’t know what they need.

This is a crisis that the Berry team will exploit to the fullest. Fist and most obvious is “Internet Neutrality”.

Gibbs mentioned access to the internet 7 or 8 times and linked that access to well founded human rights like free speech and the right to protect their government.

We better get back to drilling here before Saudi Arabia falls next.

Iron River · Jan 28, 2011

It seems that the people in the street think that Berry will step in and help them because he is a mulsim.

This all started when Mubarak started making plans for his son to take charge of Egypt after Mo left.

Kandahar · Jan 28, 2011

Iron River said:
It seems that the people in the street think that Berry will step in and help them

What? No they don't. The Egyptian protesters are furious with the United States for not standing with them.

Iron River said:
because he is a mulsim.

Obvious troll is obvious.

liblady · Jan 28, 2011

Iron River said:
It seems that the people in the street think that Berry will step in and help them because he is a mulsim.

This all started when Mubarak started making plans for his son to take charge of Egypt after Mo left.

really? there are stupid people in eqypt too?

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