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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Egypt has shut off all internet and phone to the country :shock:
Even Al Jazeera's feed has been cut off by the regime.

The Police are beating up/attacking the protesters

Thousands of Egyptian anti-government protesters clashed Friday with police in Cairo, who fired rubber bullets into the crowds and used tear gas and water cannons to disperse them. It was a major escalation in what was already the biggest challenge to President Hosni Mubarak's 30 year-rule.

Police also used water cannons against Egypt's pro-democracy leader Mohamed ElBaradei and his supporters as they joined the latest wave of protests after noon prayers. Police also used batons to beat some of ElBaradei's supporters, who surrounded him to protect him.

Egypt protesters clash with police after prayers - Yahoo! News
 
This is not gonna end in the way we want it.. The Muslim Brotherhood have seen their chance and are going to seize if they can and that will be very very bad for everyone.

No.
It is bad for US and Western Interests.

If Egypt wants a Muslim brotherhood led Government. They damn well should have that right and it is not for us to intrude on that right. If the Islamists were brought to the table years ago, I doubt it would have been half as bad. This is the result of oppression.
I have no idea what it is about democracy the West hates so much, it seems to oppose it when it doesn't have the results they like. Almost as if saying democracy is good for us but bad for you. So you can have a dictatorship.
 
Human Rights Watch (HRW) fears that Egypt's police may use live ammunition on protesters during demonstrations planned for Friday, the head of the New-York based group said on Thursday.

Police in Cairo have already fought thousands of Egyptians who defied a government ban on Wednesday to protest against President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year-old rule, firing rubber bullets and tear gas at the crowds and dragging away demonstrators.
Human Rights Watch fears Egypt police may open fire | News by Country | Reuters
 
No.
It is bad for US and Western Interests.

If Egypt wants a Muslim brotherhood led Government. They damn well should have that right and it is not for us to intrude on that right. If the Islamists were brought to the table years ago, I doubt it would have been half as bad. This is the result of oppression.
I have no idea what it is about democracy the West hates so much, it seems to oppose it when it doesn't have the results they like. Almost as if saying democracy is good for us but bad for you. So you can have a dictatorship.

Until they do something stupid--which is inevitable--and then when going to intrude like a big dog, which is our right as well.
 
No.
It is bad for US and Western Interests.

If Egypt wants a Muslim brotherhood led Government. They damn well should have that right and it is not for us to intrude on that right. If the Islamists were brought to the table years ago, I doubt it would have been half as bad. This is the result of oppression.
I have no idea what it is about democracy the West hates so much, it seems to oppose it when it doesn't have the results they like. Almost as if saying democracy is good for us but bad for you. So you can have a dictatorship.

Well, I normally think that human rights are more important than democracy. Usually the two align, but not always. In this case, Mubarak has given up any claim to being less brutal than the Muslim Brotherhood so it is difficult for him to wrap himself in the human rights mantle. But I am skeptical if the Muslim Brotherhood will be any better for human rights in Egypt, whether they're democratically chosen or not. I also fear that this might be a classic example of "one man, one vote, one time." The Muslim Brotherhood might hold an election to gain power, then refuse to hold elections (or hold rigged elections) in the future.

There really isn't anything else we can do, besides hope for the best though.
 
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Until they do something stupid--which is inevitable--and then when going to intrude like a big dog, which is our right as well.

The US has enough on its plate without stirring up trouble in Egypt. :roll:
 
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I'm sure Israel is watching this one closely.. Maybe they should take back the Sinai toot sweet.. :)


Tim-

They do that. All of Egyptians will become radicalized. Which would bring a serious war.

And it would cause for more ME countries to become radicalized because who would be giving Israel hardware and other war material? The US!
 
Thousands protest in Jordan

Thousands of Jordanian opposition supporters took to the streets Friday in the country's capital demanding the prime minister step down and venting their anger at rising prices, inflation and unemployment.

It was the third consecutive Friday of protests following Muslim prayers in Jordan, inspired by the unrest in Tunisia and rallies in Egypt demanding the downfall of the country's longtime president.

Thousands in Jordan protest, demand PM step down
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A short-term humanitarian mission in a small African nation where we'd be welcomed is hardly the same as "intruding like a big dog" with no clear goals in mind in an Arab state of 80 million people.

I have no desire to derail the thread but there's no evidence to support a claim that a short term mission exists when the problems in Cotes D'Ivoire go back to the armed rebellion in 2002.
 
Omg.
Al Jazeera live.

The protesters have just stormed and pushed back most of the police from the bridge.
They are aiming for the Presidential palace and square
 
I heard on the radio this morning that Egypt's intelligence has ordered the cellular carrier in the country to cut service off immediately and the company has agreed to comply. Looks like this may escalate dramatically.
 
There's quite a hubbub at the Egyptian embassy here in DC.
 
Not only that.
BBC Reporter has been attacked and injured. Journalists and media equipment including a CNN one have been destroyed and/or detained.

Police state indeed.
The entire country has internet that has been down with only very few working and cell network.
 
"We strongly support the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people and unequivocally condemn violence against them. We urge President Mubarak to step down immediately, and for Mohammed ElBaradei to lead a transition government in the lead up to elections."

- What Hillary Clinton should say on national television. Right now. This may be Mubarak's last day in power.
 
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I am surprised this has not happened sooner. The US has been urging Mubarak for years now to undergo reforms to deal with the poverty, rising unemployment, and rising food prices that are hitting the Egyptian people hard. So we should definitely come-out on the side of the protesters. It says water cannons and rubber bullets are all the police have utilized so far.
 
Mubarak has been an ally of the United States and has upheld the peace with Israel...

Do you think the US is gonna risk Egypt electing officials and ending up with another Gamul Abdel Nasser?

They'd better get firmly behind the democratic movement and fast (like, within the next couple hours), or they'll assuredly end up with a very hostile Egyptian government. It's difficult for me to see how Mubarak survives this, with or without US support.
 
Mubarak has been an ally of the United States and has upheld the peace with Israel...

Do you think the US is gonna risk Egypt electing officials and ending up with another Gamul Abdel Nasser?

Egyptians are not going to accept this indefinitely. Nor will others in the Arab world.
All US has done is put off the inevitable and US most certainly will not be called an ally when that time comes but the enemy who has fought against people getting their freedom.

Egyptians on Al Jazeera are also aiming their anger at the US. Blaming it for the dictatorship they have .... and I don't blame them, they should aim some of that anger at US
 
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Mubarak has been an ally of the United States and has upheld the peace with Israel...

Do you think the US is gonna risk Egypt electing officials and ending up with another Gamul Abdel Nasser?

He has been a good ally to the US, however he has let his people suffer for years, thus the best way for the US to proceed is to ensure that another pro-West president comes to power there. Mubarak has reached the point where the US can no longer maintain him.
 
They'd better get behind the democratic movement and fast, or they'll assuredly end up with a very hostile government. It's difficult for me to see how Mubarak survives this, with or without US support.

They'll end up with a hostile government either way.

It's far too late, they've thrown their support behind Mubarak, people aren't gonna forget that.

I hope that pompous prick steps down though. The democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people outweigh America's need for a friendly Egypt.
 
He has been a good ally to the US, however he has let his people suffer for years, thus the best way for the US to proceed is to ensure that another pro-West president comes to power there. Mubarak has reached the point where the US can no longer maintain him.

And how exactly do you intend to do that? Rigging a foreign election.

There's no garuntee of this outcome if there's an election...

Better the devil you know... then the devil you don't...
 
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