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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Everyone should just calm down and invite the Americans in to come strighten it all out.

    But "Arab pride" will ensure that will never happen so there will be more killings, more riots, more property destroyed and utltimately more of the same way it's always been.
    Arab pride is stopping them from inviting the police of the world to invade there nation and implement a Democracy for them?

    How horrid.

    America leaves **** stains wherever it goes, i think Arab pride is the perfect panacea for these people.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Arab pride is stopping them from inviting the police of the world to invade there nation and implement a Democracy for them?

    How horrid.

    America leaves **** stains wherever it goes, i think Arab pride is the perfect panacea for these people.
    That's HILARIOUS coming from a British Turk. What kind of world did the Brits and the Ottomans leave us?

    There has been more democratization while the US is superpower than at any time in history. Ever.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Rather than being happy for Arabs that are standing up against the elite and receiving more Democracy, a sadistic number of members here on DP, and i suspect many US politicians, are instead using this as a chance to score political points.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    This is horrible.

    Al Jazeera - Protesters are showing the police ID's taken from the opposition argument.

    The Pro Mubarak have batons and tear gas ... I wonder where they got those from

    Edit: Army has threatened the "Pro-Mubarak" and they will have to interfere if it continues
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's HILARIOUS coming from a British Turk. What kind of world did the Brits and the Ottomans leave us?
    A very nasty one, but just because my country is England doesn't mean i support its imperialist past.

    There has been more democratization while the US is superpower than at any time in history. Ever.
    Indeed. Its gonna be Christmas all over again when you finally realize that most of this democratization happened through political dialogue and not guns and mortars.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Pro Mubarak protesters went to Al Jazeera hotel and shouted 'Where is Al Jazeera' and was quickly dispersed by military o.O


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Thats not a universally accepted definition of a Democracy.
    That is a real world practical definition of what it takes for a successful democracy.


    Free media is not there and political dissent still draws an eerie eye from the government.
    Iraqi Newspapers : Newspapers from Iraq : Iraqi News


    Domestic issues inspired them. This is nothing but an Egyptian and Tunisian revolt. I suppose every pro-Democratic movement in the ME is of course American and Iraqi inspired.
    Yes. The issues causing crisis will be internal. The model of democratization is from Iraq. As ME countries successfully democratize, there will be more models, but Iraq started it.

    The suggestion is an insult to my intelligence. In light of your lack of evidence, did you ever think that maybe all political groups in Egypt (as they have repeatedly stated) are just sick of being oppressed and living like animals?
    Egyptians have followed events in Iraq and been influenced by them. The Anti-Gov protesters are not organized by pre-existing secular political groups.

    Thats to say the current demonstrations would not have happened if Saddam was still in power, right? All of this is unsubstantiated and ill say it again, there is nothing special about Iraq that would make it a role model. The country is ruined and democratically its C-grade.
    Who can say whether these demonstrations would or wouldn't happen if Iraq didn't happen. Iraq definitely inspired them though.



    I think i would know <<
    Really? Then why do you bring up a Turkey when we are discussing Arab democracies?


    Or maybe because you handed them a country that is more unstable than it has ever been at any point of its existence?
    The US invaded Iraq with the mindset that they where doing it selflessly for the Iraqi's. In reality they merely destroyed any chance of a homegrown revolution that would have created a unified Iraqi made Democracy instead of the mess we see today.
    It is very difficult to have a homegrown revolution. The whole situation where the security forces are the only armed forces in the country tend to put a stop to revolutions. It happened before in Iraq.


    Wrong. All these countries have made reforms in light of what has happened in North Africa. Naturally, they are pissing themselves it could happen in there own nations.

    Hell, the only nation i can think of that is remotely close to having inspired the revolts outside of said nation is Tunisia.

    Bread and food inspired the revolution, not the US. Sorry.
    There are more than one influence. Iraq is a major one.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Pro Mubarak protesters went to Al Jazeera hotel and shouted 'Where is Al Jazeera' and was quickly dispersed by military o.O
    Pro-oppression protesters? This has Mubarak smothered all over it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Pro-oppression protesters? This has Mubarak smothered all over it.
    Ofc it is. The regime wants to make it look like the only way Egypt is safe is under a dictatorship
    I hope he gets killed for this. I really do

    This is just beyond the pale. Even for him


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Arab pride is stopping them from inviting the police of the world to invade there nation and implement a Democracy for them?

    How horrid.
    Nowhere did i say "invade", did I? I said "invite"! Do you really not understand the very important difference???

    America leaves **** stains wherever it goes,
    Well that was certainly the case when they left Europe after WWII, having saved Europeans from themselves.

    i think Arab pride is the perfect panacea for these people.
    Yes, except this "Arab pride" is running in all directions with, as ever, no real leadership to speak of. This same Arab pride becomes most evident when among the first things they do when groups of them get excited is start looting shops and destroying their museums.

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