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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's go ahead and install the Brotha'hood and to hell with those pesky elections.
    Or how about have a united temporary coalition of all sides. With the Army heading it/overseeing it.

    Have elections which are actually free and fair.
    If the people choose Muslim brotherhood, as is their right
    Suck it up and accept it


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Given that a third of this message is also incomprehensible, could I suggest you stop posting until you can either type properly or put some thought into what you are posting. I'm not taking cheap shots, I'm saying that others on the forum deserve your attention and aren't interested in your texting from a subway train... or whatever. Iran is to the east of Israel, Egypt to the south btw.
    You definitely tried to take advantage of my tenuous circumstance. (now improved).

    That's why in fact you Left off the last part of my quote explaining I was on the road with a bad internet/traveling mobile connection.
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    Nor was my post insubstantial.
    It elucidated not only the potential completion of the encircling of Israel by hostiles, but also the possible missile situation which could be deadly for it despite it's Apparent conventional (an/or nuclear) superiority.
    IOW, the overall geo-strategic possibilities.

    You lack both basic knowledge I have as a specialist Middle East poster, and the intellect to even appreciate it.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I would argue that installing a US-friendly government in Iraq is somewhat different from installing a democracy, but if someone is in favor of installing such a US-friendly government, it would be consistent across both sides, definitely.
    Sure they are different, but the way our involvement in Iraq played out, it is clear that we favored the installation of a democracy, no matter what their ultimate friendliness would be. We created the conditions for legitimate elections, bringing Shiites to power. The Shiites of Iraq are not very friendly to the US and they have oriented themselves toward Iran. This is consistent with the principle of spreading democracy and not creating yet another strongman government aligned with our interests. We were successful, completely, in this endeavor, the stated objective.

    This is a principle I support, regardless of whether it is moral, verbal, diplomatic support, like we should give to the protesters in Egypt, or interventionist support to overthrow a despot. I do not agree with the premise that spreading democracy is illegitimate if it doesn't happen from within.

    I can see the position that we should spread democracy while remaining non-interventionist. However, seeing as how our commercial interests are global, then short of embargos, we will be complicit in supporting despotic and autocratic regimes - see Egypt and our support of Mubarak's government, and the rest of the middle east's countries. This hypocracy in our foreign policy is what drives anti-americanism in that part of the world and was a major tenet of Osama's screed against the west.

    We should be more consistent with supporting democracy movements, both diplomatically, economically and through military intervention.

    The real question should be to what effect has our intervention and the establishment of a real democracy in Iraq had on the rest of the Middle East with regards to internal democratic movements?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Or how about have a united temporary coalition of all sides. With the Army heading it/overseeing it.
    I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.

    Have elections which are actually free and fair.
    If the people choose Muslim brotherhood, as is their right
    Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

    IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

    Suck it up and accept it
    And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.



    Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

    IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

    And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.
    I think most Egyptians would be quite happy with an election Heavily monitored by an International team

    No one is going to trust any faction without it.
    There's simply no foundation/infrastructure for an honest election now or a few months from now.

    I can't foresee any agreed upon result without perhaps the most extensively monitored election in history.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.

    Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

    IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

    And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.
    Who said an election oversees by the Brotherhood?
    I said a temporary coalition to weather the storm UNTIL an election can be called and the Army as the most trusted institution can step in and mediate and/or oversee to prevent any fraud.
    As can international observers,

    And no I will not accept Egypt being bombed. What stupidness


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I think most Egyptians would be quite happy with an election Heavily monitored by an International team

    No one is going to trust any faction without it.
    There's simply no foundation/infrastructure for an honest election now or a few months from now.

    I can't foresee any agreed upon result without perhaps the most extensive outside-monitored election in history.
    I agree. There's not a large enough concensus to tell us if a majority of Egyptians even want Mubarack gone. So far, all we have are the Brothas and Obama telling us that Mubarack needs to go.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who said an election oversees by the Brotherhood?
    I said a temporary coalition to weather the storm UNTIL an election can be called and the Army as the most trusted institution can step in and mediate and/or oversee to prevent any fraud.
    As can international observers,


    Yeah, that's what Lenin said in 1917.

    And no I will not accept Egypt being bombed. What stupidness
    If they do something stupid that brings down the wrath of the great United States, then that's exactly what might happen. You know that it could happen and you need to accept the conciquences of those actions.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, that's what Lenin said in 1917.

    If they do something stupid that brings down the wrath of the great United States, then that's exactly what might happen. You know that it could happen and you need to accept the conciquences of those actions.
    I could give two ****s about what a Russian said
    Egypt still has an economy and security issues. That still needs a Government. A temporary coalition is necessary, not this Parliament which should be dissolved immediately

    No. I do not accept it. Lol at "Great" United States.


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree.
    I agree that heavy international monitoring may be needed. The Army is complicit with the current regime and can't be trusted. Having Egyptian teams consisting of representatives from many parties may work: Army, MB, secular opposition. ...but only with external monitors as well.

    There's not a large enough concensus to tell us if a majority of Egyptians even want Mubarack gone.
    That's the point of fair objective elections. Previous elections were anything but and saying a majority of Egyptians used to favor Mubarak is groundless.

    So far, all we have are the Brothas and Obama telling us that Mubarack needs to go.
    Absolutely not. Have you been following events??? MB and the organized opposition parties are playing catchup to the spontaneous demonstrations organized through previously unheard of youth, promoting through the net, twitter and texting. They are the ones who are really telling everyone that Mubarak must go.

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